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Wednesday Halolinks: Is Edwin Jackson Affordable? Is He An Upgrade?

Edwin Jackson surrounded by all of the teams interested in signing the pitcher to a long-term deal.

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Edwin Jackson surrounded by all of the teams interested in signing the pitcher to a long-term deal.

Heathly, weathly, and not-so-wise edition of Halolinks:

Star-divide

(I'm fortunate to have a work schedule that allows me to spend probably more than too much time on this website, but it also allows me the opportunity to do some things with my kids (damn kids always butting into my internet time). Today's Halolinks is a little shy on commentary because I get to spend the morning and afternoon with my daughter's kindergarten class during their first field trip. If I survive, tomorrow's links will be back in their pre-K glory)

  • Yesterday's Halolinks included a link to a 2012 season preview post that claimed the Angels biggest weakness was their pitching depth. Although I disagree with that assessment, I'm know I'm not always right (yeah, hard to believe, but probably true). If the Angels truly need another starting pitcher, how about this guy: Edwin Jackson is willing to accept a one-year deal - HardballTalk. "He entered the free agent market last fall with such high expectations, but now Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that Edwin Jackson is likely to accept a one-year deal." And not only is he willing to take a one-year deal, he's allegedly willing to sign at a terrific, team-friendly contract, "Boston, which has offered a one-year deal in the $5-$6 million range according to major league sources, is definitely in the hunt. But if they're the contending team that's going to land him, it hasn't happened yet." (Time's Running Out For Free Agent Edwin Jackson - Baseball Nation). If the Halos can somehow dump Bobby Abreu's salary on another team, the $9M removed could be used to upgrade the rotation, while opening up a spot for Mark Trumbo's bat.
  • This is one of the coolest things I've ever heard a player doing: Outfield assist of another kind - The Hardball Times. "The next day, he walked out to his position before the game, carrying a signed baseball in his hand. He spotted the familiar faces, smiled and threw the baseball over the fence." Sure, players do a lot of good through charities and foundations, but sometimes just the simplest interaction with fans is just as touching. And besides, providing bacon to anyone is the most humanitarian thing one human can do for another.

  • This doesn't appear to be a PED issue, but rather a "drug of abuse" problem: Angels pitching prospect banned 50 games for second drug violation - CBSSports.com. "Los Angeles Angels minor-league pitcher Daniel Reynolds has been suspended 50 games for a second drug violation. Taken by the Angels with the 201st pick of the 2009 amateur draft, the 20-year-old was 3-2 with a 4.60 ERA in 20 relief appearances last year for the rookie level Orem Owlz of the Pioneer League." Hopefully Reynolds gets the help he needs.
  • Stress and Anxiety in Baseball - FanGraphs Baseball. "For some players, that stress lacks a healthy outlet. It builds and builds until mental disorders begin to bubble to the surface, and in some cases, they can become debilitating for players."
  • Congratulations to Mr. Neyer: Anniversary No. 1 - Hot Corner - Baseball Nation. "One year ago today, I wrote my last piece for ESPN.com, which had been my home for a long time. Exactly that same day, I was launched into a completely unrelated personal crisis that left me in a depressive, sleep-deprived, generally food-free state for about three months."
  • Position previews: Catcher - ESPN Los Angeles. "Many Angels fans, tired of watching Mathis' feeble at-bats, seemed joyous over the news (trading for Iannetta and trading away Mathis). But how much better -- if at all -- will it make the team? Are the Angels simply giving up defense to gain offense? Or, was Mathis' defense -- the subject of periodic rhapsodies from manager Mike Scioscia -- overrated? Is Iannetta even a much better hitter?" Please Mark, tell us the answer! Sorry, this is actually a pretty informative post.
  • Sam Miller tells us: 2002 Angels: Where they’ve been, where they are now - The Orange County Register
  • Entertaining post about Keith Olbermann and the 2012 Topps baseball cards: 10th Annual Topps Pack Opening Day " Baseball Nerd. "The first box to come off the production line is ceremonially opened, either on television or at Topps HQ, and then we quietly pillage through whatever’s available pack-wise."
  • Great video:
  • I don't know why more players, when facing such an extreme shift, don't do this: Mark Teixeira ... $180 million bunter? - ESPN New York. "In order to beat the shift, Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira claims he’s going to do the previously unfathomable: bunt. "I've been so against it my entire career, but I might lay down a few bunts," Teixeira conceded Tuesday night. "If I can beat the shift that way, that’s important."
  • Fred Lynn, Jim Rice, the 1979 MVP Race and the Hall of Fame - Baseball by the Numbers. "The 1979 MVP race in the AL was strange because Baylor won so handily despite not leading the lead in a any major offensive category other than RBIs, contributing almost nothing on defense and, although nobody used the term at the time, not even finishing among the top ten in the league in WAR. Baylor’s election, by a margin of 347-241 over second place finisher Ken Singleton was one of the most extreme cases of the MVP simply going to the top RBI man on a division winner."
  • Seattle Mariners Trade Partners - Lookout Landing. "Baseball-Reference has this tool. It actually has a zillion tools, but it has this one particular tool that allows you to look at all the trades ever made between two teams.Finally, the team the Mariners have gone the longest without trading with is the Angels. The Mariners have made a trade with every other team at least once since 2006. The haven't made a trade with the Angels since March 25, 1996, when they acquired Ricky Jordan for cash considerations."
  • Very interesting article: Dissecting a mystery pitch - The Hardball Times. "On April 29, 2011, during the top of the fifth inning of a Toronto at New York game, Yankee pitcher Freddy Garcia threw a split-fingered fastball to the Jay's Juan Rivera. A video of the pitch was captured by YES-MO, the high-speed video camera from the Yankees television broadcast, with sufficient resolution to allow both the spin rate and the rotation axis of the ball to be determined with reasonable precision." Be sure to check out the video. (Thanks: Freddy Garcia's Mystery Pitch - Hot Corner - Baseball Nation)
  • Padres, right-hander Moseley settle on one-year deal for $2 million-plus - CBSSports.com. "Moseley will make $2,012,500 this year, $12,500 below the midpoint of what he requested and the Padres offered. Moseley had asked for $2.55 million, San Diego offered $1.5 million."
  • Good looks and good taste in food too: Jenny Dell is the new Heidi Watney in Boston - Yahoo! Sports. "NESN has made a habit of hiring very attractive females to report on the Boston Red Sox during its game broadcasts." Wait, are they trying to make some kind of sexual joke with that photo??
Poll
Edwin Jackson and the Angels:
A - Only for one year
102 votes
B - Only if it's for $5M - $6M.
60 votes
Both A & B
237 votes
None of the above
125 votes

524 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  52 comments

Comments

Edwin Jackson's agent is Scott Boras

I believe Jackson want at least a 4 year deal at around $10-15m dollars. But with Boras as his agent, you have to believe that some teams will overpay for him (I hope the Angel GM does not consider it)

I think a 1 year deal for Oswalt or signing a Relief Pitcher is a better idea.

Can't see him taking a 1 year deal

He’ll get 3 from someone

Adrian Beltre says "howdy"

This has been a Boras weapon of choice for some time. Let the player get the best one-year, MLB deal he can and tell him to play his ass off. Then hit the free agent market the next Winter with an impressive CV to distribute from the prior season.

Obviously, it worked like a charm for Beltre. Jackson is so young that he can still get a 3-4 year guaranteed deal next Winter if he shines in 2012.

I guess it just seems much more risky for a pitcher

Unless all the teams offering multiple years are awful

the other thing it does is gets more teams interested. 4 teams in on a 1 year deal might make one of them flinch and offer a 3 year

boras is a smart sales guy, let the teams convince themselves they need him while he is offered cheaply. They convince themselves they need the guy and then he can raise the price.

Beltre

Yes he did. He also did it in a ballpark tailor made for his skill set.

Pitching in the AL East in that stadium is not the ideal situation to set himself up for a multiyear deal.

Bingo

Places he’d go on a 1 year deal: San Francisco, San Diego, Miami (apparently might play bigger than Petco), Dodgers

I don't disagree

I agree that Edwin Jackson would become a pinata in Fenway, to the point of making the chowds miss Lackey.

My response was more directed to the idea that Boras would hold the line for a multi-year deal. Carlos Pena took a one-year deal from the White Sox last year when he couldn’t get a multi-year deal from anyone, just as Beltre did two years ago. He apparently took a one-year deal from the Rays in lieu of a two-year deal from the Indians.

The point is that Boras clearly would want to lock his player into the most secure deal available, but he also isn’t so dogmatic to ignore a good, 1-year deal to allow his player to earn a salary and rebuild value prior to the next Winter’s free agency.

If he can in fact be had for 1/6mm that would be insane

Great value and that would make Voodoo our #5. Filthy.

ill still take

Voodoo as my #4 starter over Jackson..dude has put in work as an angel

He has put in work...

But Ervin’s best season since 2008 (last year) still fell short of each of Jackson’s last three seasons.

I wouldn't say so.

Ervin has had better seasons than Jackson ever has had.

jackson also has

Had a more solid offense behind him..ervin pitches with pride and heart. When voodoo is throwing with confidence he is easily one of the best pitchers in the game.

When Voodoo is on, he's my favorite pitcher to watch

I’ll admit I’m totally biased, but he can flat out dominate on a good night. I love heading to the ballpark on nights he pitches because you know tonight is the night he might just pour it on.

I'm with you

He has driven me crazy at times over the years, but there’s no denying that when he is in fact on, he is filthy. I think (hope) that last year he took a BIG step toward being the more dominant/consistent pitcher we know he can be.

That's via fWAR, bWAR has a different picture

breaking it down a tiny bit, Ervin has been punished by his HR rate on fWAR. He has posted slightly more consistent K rates and K/BB than Jackson. ALthough saying that, Jackson has been trending the right way in terms of BB% in his career.

However, Jackson is much more ‘hittable’ than Ervin which has limited his upside, and perhaps indicates he a) hasn’t figured out how to make the correct pitches at the right time b) his stuff isn’t as nasty as Ervin’s.

I’d say they’re pretty close in value, but Ervin seems to have a bit more ‘pitching smarts’ based off a reading of Jackson’s stats/history.

5 200+ inning starters

We wouldn’t have to worry about our bullpen

Sign him 2/16

Phoque it, let’s pitch!

Also know as "Joel Pineiro money"
thank god tony is gone
I'd be fine with a 3 year 30 million deal

Doubt the Angels have enough in the budget for this though.

Trade Abreu and eat most of his salary

Get an extra $3 million then sign Jackson to a one year $6 million deal

1 year; $8.5 million

Do it.

I can't see him taking a 1 year deal in the AL East. Hard to establish your value with those offenses and that park
My thoughts exactly

If he’s going to take a one year deal, Anaheim is is best bet in the A.L.: fair ballpark, plenty of games against Oakland and Seattle. His numbers would be far better here than in the East.

Not to mention Bourjos and the prospect of Trout.
It's time to rebuild the relationship with Boras

Go 2 years – $19m + performance based incentives that could move the TCV to $21m

EJ can be on my Fantasy team

so i can sit him again while he throws a no-hitter

can I join your league?
your not already in it?
J-Will (will) be a fine numbah five starter. give him the chance to show and prove.
So, this is a time-crunched post?

Damn, Wi, you’re a ninja.

I'm glad we have Halos Heaven when our mental disorders begin to bubble to the surface.
I think "willing to take a one year deal" is Boras new sales pitch

That line got him a meeting with the Tigers owner and he closed a 9 year deal. He’ll use this trick to set up meetings with multiple teams and drive up the years/price.

As a baseball fan, I deplore him. As a salesman, I think the guy is a genious.

Wisconsin Field Trip?

Miller Brewery? Lambeau Field? Violent Femmes recording studio? Ed Gein’s tannery?

Make sure you stop by Sheboygan.
Home of the Dairyland Surf Classic!
Alice Cooper concert in Milwaukee.

I think one of the most interesting things about Milwaukee is that it’s the only city to have elected three Socialist mayors.

I saw Slayer in Milwaukee on the night before Halloween.

Sigh. Good times, good times.

I would never figure you to be a Slayer fan, but now you are a badass in my eyes.
I wasn't a badass before?

(Ahahahah – I know, I know.)

Who says no to a Slayer show the night before Halloween? It was so much fun. Lots of people were in costume (though it’s not apparent from the pics). By the end of the opener’s (Hatebreed’s) set, it was getting tough to differentiate between fake blood and real blood. I’m a little embarrassed to say I mostly hung out in the back.

Too much Moneyball. Awesome
Awesome hardly begins to describe it.

But, yeah, awesome. I’m going to go watch it again now.

Diction

Mark Saxon discovers that you can’t form a grammatically correct sentence including the words “Mathis,” “Angels,” and “years” without also including the word “suffer.” Unfortunately for Lyle Spencer, grammar is holding the English language as a hostage.

Angels better off waiting?

At this point, with the uncertainty around Trumbo at 3rd, Kendrys’ health, Bobby’s value, Vernon’s ability to bounce back and how Trout will fit into all that, aren’t the Angels better off taking a wait and see approach? The team looks to be a frontrunner come opening day even with the lingering questions. They will be looking for opportunities to get everyone involved. Once they do, and can make a determination of where they need to improve, they will still have the extra pieces to make a move for a player before the trade deadline. With what they have, and what they expect to develop early in the season, aren’t the Angels in a good position to wait until some scenarios play out?

Agreed on all points but one:

You can never have enough pitching. And if a good pitcher with a pretty solid track record is available on a fairly club friendly deal, you need to take a long look.

I like Jerome Williams and think he can pitch well. It would be nice to have him available should/once somebody gets hurt and start the season with 5 solid arms.

It's pretty clear how Trout fits in

Barring an injury (or two), Trout will begin the season in AAA. What we can be nearly certain of is that, again barring injury, Pujols, Bourjos, and Hunter will be in the lineup on opening day. What we do not know is how the team will allocate playing time between Morales, Trumbo, Wells, Abreu, Callaspo, and Izturis. And I imagine we will not know that until just prior to opening day.

I'd only sign him 1 year...

6-7 Mill. Other than that no let Williams prove himself as 5th starter in ST.

Edwin Jackson is a National

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