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Jean Segura: Top Angels Prospect #3

3) Jean Segura, 3/17/1990 - SS/2B, High A

Cal League: .281/.337/.422 with 3 HR's and 18 SB's; AFL: .310/.344/.425 with 0 HR and 5 SB

Dipoto just inked Howie Kendrick to a team-friendly, four-year contract extension, and is reportedly looking to do the same with Erick Aybar. Growing hype around Jean Segura must give Dipoto a little extra leverage in those negotiations, because entering the 2012 season, the young middle infielder ranks as high as baseball's 22nd best prospect. The twenty-one year old Dominican packages a knack for contact, explosive bat speed, savvy on the basepaths, arm strength and the athleticism to be a standout-out middle infielder. He combines the ceiling of an all-star shortstop with the floor of an MLB-average second baseman. Having Segura's growing reputation in his back pocket gives Dipoto a credible reason to leave the table if extension talks with our current shortstop don't go his way.

While it's great to see Segura receiving the attention, I'm beginning to get a little worried about his stagnant secondary skills. Both his California League and AFL slash lines were overwhelmingly batting average dependent, showing little in the way of patience or pop. He recognizes pitches well and doesn't have too much trouble with breaking stuff, but "discipline" for him mostly means putting fastballs into play early in the count. Given the organization's philosophy around hitting, I don't see much reason to hope that Segura's BB totals will jump, though I doubt he ever strikes out much.

Segura's batted ball distribution tilted heavily towards groundballs, and more than 20% of his hits in both leagues were infield knocks. The speed is nice, but if the trend continues all of those grounders won't make him a star in the big leagues. He has an athletic, aggressive cut that scouts seem to love, but his swing path is flat in games and provides little loft. He swings early and often, not waiting for pitches to drive. That said, he's flashed some thunder in the past, with natural gap power to right-center and - at least in his summer with the Kernels - he occasionally turned on the ball with a vengeance. To reach his ceiling, he's going to have to do more of that, though I'm less optimistic about him learning to drive the ball consistently than I was a year ago.

And then there are the frequent injuries. His 2011 hamstrings in particular raise a red flag.

Due to Segura's abbreviated season, there are still some questions about Segura's ability to stick at shortstop. I asked 66er's announcer Sam Farber, who's now seen him on the field there as much as anybody, and he responded "[I] can't imagine why [Segura] wasn't considered a shortstop from the beginning"..."he's a phenomenal defensive talent"..."[having] the perfect reflexes for the position." Here's a little proof on that count.

If the Angels re-sign Aybar, now would be the time to sell high on the redundant Segura. Packaging him with Trumbo could return some very good young pitching from the Rays. Packaging him with another player and sending them to Arizona might just get us Tyler Skaggs back, which would be a huge boon to the Angels' post-Santana, post-Haren rotation. Or they can hold on to Segura and mold him into their future "supersub," the role that Mike Scioscia perfected and employed with so much success over the past decade.

Quick-twitch athleticism should allow Segura to contribute with the glove and on the bases from the very start, and that high floor more than anything else makes him valuable. I suspect he will have a career arc similar to Aybar's, with annual contributions swinging wildly from 1-5 WAR due to fluctuations in batting average. Like Aybar, he should be quite valuable, but the lack of secondary skills means he may never attain the consistency necessary to be a star.

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Really - Segura and a friend not named Trout gets us Tyler Skaggs back?

Do that now.

It is amazing, but it is like JeDi has a plan or something.

I like the idea that we are negotiating with our staff, getting everyone locked in for a long time, with significant back up plans.

I love that we have 4 great pitchers and a number of options to fill out the rotation (although I still advocate for another pitcher, Oswalt, Hokie Joe, …).

I don’t think Pujols, Morales, Trumbo is a logjam :). I think it is awesome.

I hope the OF gets sorted out, with Trout getting lots of ABs and Wells returning to form.

I agree on the non-log jam at 1B, DH

Next job for Jerry is figure out how to excise Wells and Abreu.

Wait...IS Segura redundant?

Don’t Aybar and HK have injury-ridden pasts as well? Plus, with Maicier getting older and even more fragile, maybe he might fit in somewhere as you mentioned.

On the other hand, it seems like maybe Scioscia & co. (or should I say DiPoto and co.?) are interested in Alexi Amarista as the supersub role…

Question: If you had to keep one as a future “super-sub” role, who would it be? Amarista or Segura?

Segura, no question

He does everything Amarista does. In terms of raw arm strength and speed, he’s already superior to Amarista. Hitting for average and power, making game-changing plays up the middle — these are things that Segura is more likely to do down the road.

I like Amarista a lot, and hope to see him carve out a fringe role. He’s just not in the same class as Segura.

Amarista bats LH and plays 2B & LF.

Segura and JMoore seem to be the perfect reserve tandem. Unfortunately, they also seem the perfect trade tandem.

Jean Segura is just now approaching 22 years old, and probably at best will start at AA Arkansas this season. At best, he tastes AAA this year with a September call-up.

Aybar, 28 tomorrow, was 23 before he was used in 1/2 of the Angels games…25 before he became the official starter.

I hit the wrong key, which posted accidentally, before I finished, and then my phone rang.

Personally, I’m still looking forward to watching an outfield of Trout, Bourjos, and Jeremy Moore.

Interesting that Segura could conceivably become super-sub eligible at just the time that Izturis' contract runs out.

Of course, the same could be said now for Amarista.

Get rid of Aybar

Make Segura the SS of the future. Aybar is nothing more than an average MLB SS. An overrated fielder and a dreadful hitter with a pathetic lifetime OBP. Now that Mathis is gone, he’s my #1 target to get rid of next.

He's hardly average. His 4 WAR last year was pretty good for a SS.

He’s no super star to be sure, but he wont cost us Reyes money either. There is a pretty steep drop off a few ranks after aybar as far as short stops go in the WAR department.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&players=0&sort=20,d

apparently my link went screwy. Trying again.

Here goes nothing…

Aybar is the #1 target to get rid of?

You would rather have Vernon in left and Trout in the minors than have Aybar play short?

Well hey, at least you're upgraded him from utility infielder!
Besides if we get rid of Aybar Rev might have to rename his dog ;-).
"Premium Athleticism"????

Come on, Ryan, you know that phrase is verboten here, unless you happen to be Lyle Spencer.

Yes, I cringed writing that...

But wasn’t in the mood to explore other turns of phrase. I mean, what’s both as accurate and concise?

“top-of-the-scale athleticism”? “fast-twich athlete” “outstanding athleticism”
All of those apply; all of those sound lame.

Propose a better fit and I’ll change it.

Raw athleticism?

Naked athleticism.

primierastoundingtoolsalicious athlete?
This

Although it didn’t quite make the concise cut…

premier > premium

always.
always.

Well, Aybar is a fast-twitch, slow-neuron athlete.
That word is suspended from use till said unspeakable player retires.
Post-Haren?

Never! He’ll be with us forever! Right?

20 bucks haren signs a home town discount deal with us

He basically said he never plans on leaving when he was traded here.

20 bucks haren signs a home town discount deal with us

He basically said he never plans on leaving when he was traded here.

So, $40 now?
:-) yep, I guess so.

The joys of poor coverage on a cell phone.

Double or nothing?
Maybe he was channeling Quentin?
Is he available? I wonder what it would take to......

Damn mixed memes again!

Now that JeDi is our GM

do you think the organizational philosophy of molding our prospects into slap-happy-go-the-other-way type hitters will change any? Will there exist an actual emphasis on walking? It seems like the consensus on our prospects has always been “______ has loads of upside but only if he could find the strike zone/gain some discipline.”

thats a great point

I think JeDi might be changing the entire mentality of the franchise. It will be interesting to see what happens with Segura. I would not bank Aybar’s tenure on his future yet, but if it goes well we have trade material and who knows, maybe Howie or Segura can play, 3rd maybe they can’t (I know I have been dismissive of this in the past, but that was because people were talking about it as 2012 possibilities).

I will be interested to keep an eye out on the situation but I think resigning Aybar remains chief priority. We can’t bank our entire future on guys who have just played A+ ball even if he is the #22 ranked prospect.

completely agree

As for Howie or Segura playing third I think it would be a relatively easy move but also an unecessary one as both would add much more value at their currently projected positions. It seems the natural positional progression for an incapable secondbaseman is the move from second to third (Callaspo and Brett Lawrie are a couple who come to mind).

If we re-sign Aybar they'll likely move Segura to 3B.
And continue the never-ending legacy of slap-tastic third sackers?

What to do with Lucho and Cowart?

Move Lucho and Cowart to 1B. We don't enough of logjam there....

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