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Ervin Santana Shell of Former Self in BlowOut

BALTIMORE - AUGUST 04:  Ervin Santana #54 of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim pitches against the Baltimore Orioles at Camden Yards on August 4 2010 in Baltimore Maryland.  (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

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almost 2 years ago: BALTIMORE - AUGUST 04: Ervin Santana #54 of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim pitches against the Baltimore Orioles at Camden Yards on August 4 2010 in Baltimore Maryland. (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

Final Score in Baltimore: Orioles 9, Angels 7

Star-divide

The magic is gone. Ervin Santana might have a case of dead arm, or his arm might be dead. The Orioles took batting practice off of the Angels number 3 starter. Peter Bourjos got his first major league hit and stole his first major league base. It was the second straight game where Ervin dug an early grave. He was the Quality Start Loser of the first half and now he is the lodestone of holedigging tomato tossers.

Sure, the Angels bats came alive and mounted a valiant comeback but, at 8 games back with 52 to play, results are all that count and all those bats got us was big L unless they can somehow be banked for 2011. Last night it was the bullpen, tonight it was the starting itching, I predict we get shut out tomorrow for the blame everyone trifecta.

I challenge anyone who Tivo'd or DVR's the postgame show to find a single sentence of baseball analysis in there that expanded your knowledge or understanding of the game - in fact, since the excuse for the garbage FSN produces is that they want to appeal to a wide base of low IQ sports numbnuts, check out your recording of the postgame show and pull a single sentence in there that, if you had to explain the game to a European who wanted to understand it better or a little leaguer who was enthused about the sport but had no comprehension of the nuances - I dare ya to find anything of value, and tripe like "stringing together hits" and "momentum carrying over" don't count.

And yeah, Torii Hunter was dumb dumb dumb for trying to steal 3B in the 9th inning - inexcusably dumb - but if career average Santana shows up tonight the Hunter stupidity is a non-issue. There is classic Angels aggressive and just dumb baserunning. Torii is not the first of these two.

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Poll
Blame of the Game
Ervin Santana
342 votes
Postgame Show Melted My Brain in its Terribleness
46 votes
Torii Idiot
107 votes

495 votes | Poll has closed

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Comments

We could've won this game

Freaking Torii trying to steak third…

Mmmmmmm

3rd steak

If you can eat all of the third one, do you get it for free?
+1

My spellin ain’t what it used ta be

It certainly wasn't well done!
Right

Ive read a lot of his posts…typos are fairly rare.

Is there any way we can blame Torii?

His debacle probably didn’t matter in the end, but OMFG, why? After it happened, all I could say is “Oh no Torii, what have you done?”

I love the guy, Torii is my absolute favorite on this team

but he can forget any dreams of being a GM. Nobody will ever pay him to think if he keeps doing stupid shit like he did tonight.

It could very well have mattered.

    If Jaun get;‘s that hit with on, it’s 9-8 with a runner in scoring, less than 2 out.

Torii Hunter could be the dumbest player in the history of organized baseball.

That play in the ninth inning was as inexcusable as it gets.

I have a feeling Rev. slept through this game or he would’ve ripped him one.

i added it

poll needs a village idiot

Thanks.

I don’t think he’s the blame of the game, but that was the bonehead play of the season, without a doubt.

Torii getting thrown out trying to steal third...

…is the worst baseball play I have ever seen, bar none. If I were Scioscia, I would bench him. There is NO REASON to do that. Period. His run means nothing. The only time you do that is when you’re on first to avoid the double play, and he’s on second. He could just stand on the base and not take a lead at all.

This pains me so much, because I love Torii. But that was just moronic.

Nah, he's a superstar - An allstar!

He can only help this club. How dare you…

So, I hope the Rangers lose again today

It will make the pain of today seem more tolerable.

does knowing we'd be 6 back, if the angels could win, make it all the more painful?
lol a little yes. If we miraculously learn to hit with RISP and our bullpen holds, we could still win.
Why is Rivera still playing?

He is on a 24 hour siesta!

Because he hits better than Matsui
Not even CLOSE..
This year they are pretty much even...
Torii, slap pride in the face and realize you cant steal a base, old man.
But i'm All-Star Torii "Big Game" Hunter

I dont need to read no stinkin signs from no 3rd Base Coach Imma Superstar.

That isn't Torii's attitude at all, jack ass.

Where have you been the last two days? The man just handed over his position to a late season call-up rookie, even though he’s won 9 gold gloves there. He has never had an “Imma Superstar” mentality.

He’s just a stupid base runner.

As he should

Maybe he should let his game do the talking and be a leader ala. Vladdy or Erstad instead of cracking jokes and always being one if the first persons to get interviewed and more concerned about being MC for the All-Star Game etc. All that other stuff is good if you have actually won a ring already.

Or your teams a good amount of games up in first place
wait wait wait....

just saw the game recap… the guy actually got caught stealing 3rd with no outs and down by 2 runs in the 9th… His run meant nothing. Him even being allowed to steal is on Soth. Of course Hunter is an idiot for even going, but he shouldn’t even be allowed to go….

I actually stopped watching around the rain delay so i have no idea what im talking about...

but… torii needs to not run. even if sosh tells him to.

Torii's like a kid around a cookie jar

he just can’t resist temptation

Can we just close left field?
I'm comfortable with sending Bourjos by himself in the outfield
Great call

Kid seems to be too young to be scared.

im on a flight to Baltimore

im playing Left Field

Permanent stop sign...

should now be in place for Torii.

Oh and how about 2011?

LF Crawford
2B Kendrick
1B Morales
RF Hunter
DH Abreu
3B Callaspo
C Napoli
SS Aybar
CF Bourjos
Bench: Maicer, Willits, Mathis, Rivera
Rotation: Weaver, Haren, Santana, PiƱeiro, Kazmir
Bullpen: Rodney, Jepsen, Bulger, Thompson, Kohn, Palmer, Bell

DFA’d Wood. Traded Wilson and Stokes. Walden, Rodriguez, Frandsen, Conger and Petit all in AAA and make appearances with the team. Payroll stays about the same. Looks like a better team to me.

All but Rivera
everyone needs power off the bench
Rivera is too lazy to get off the bench
I've seen him in the weight room he works hard and puts the time in....

He’s just too timid a person after breaking his leg. No longer has that OF baseball instinct. He plays a little afraid now.

That team might compete for second place.
Oh come on, if we added Crawford, Bourjos, Morales and Haren to this team, this year

We wouldn’t be trailing by 8 games.

Bc5, etc.,

will denigrate this team no matter what, it seems.
I can imagine what he said after we won the Series in ’02:
“Damn. It took us seven games! What the hell?!!!”

A sweep would have been preferred.
No one knows how Morales will hit when he returns.

This wasn’t a first place team when he was in the lineup.

You’ve just sketched the 2010 club as it stands today with Crawford and a question mark at firstbase.

Not enough to take the division, and an injury or two away from the .500 club we are now.

Thanks for shutting off the light at the end of the tunnel

Kendry will be fine, but what worries me the most is what to do about our bullpen, other than an extreme makeover. We need some big changes or we will indeed “not have enough to take the division.”

Then you agree with me.

We’re in the dark, searching for a lightswitch. There’s no tunnel in this metaphor, save for the one we’ll need to dig to get out of this collapsed coalmine.

As long as I can come out of this with a few chunks of gold to build up my future dynasty

Soth, Weave, Haren, Kowbell, Gorgeous, Rocking Rodney (oops…), Troutster, etc.

I'd switch Aybar and Kendrick in the line-up.

I think Aybar does better batting 2nd and Kendrick does better in the bottom half of the line-up.

Both need to be batting at the bottom.
So does Bourjos

But you can’t hide everybody in the 8-9 spots. Aybar responds better to the top of the lineup than Kendrick though.

I say we get something more of value in the bullpen

We have to do better than Bell and Palmer in those last spots

I dunno, Bell is showing some promise lately and Palmer was VERY effective in relief.

Lots of late movement and he can spot it.

Bell might be our #5 starter

It’s no sure thing that Kazmir will ever deserve a rotation spot again.

Therefore, Palmer is our #4?
Please shut up about Crawford.

Just give it a rest for a while.

Especially since he's gonna be on the Yanks.
the thing about the "CRAWFORD CROWD"

Same bunch was pining to sleep with Teixeira and bitched that Arte was cheap when he went to NYC, all badmouthed or ignored Kendry along the way.

Wrong!

I may be in the Crawford crowd, but I was among the first who lobbied for Kendry Morales at 1B. Even when Kotch was going good I was torn a new one on another board for claiming Kendry Moraes was better than Casey Kotchman and Howie Kendrick would never win a batting championship.

When I saw that 180 million dollar price tag on tex, I breathed a sigh of relief. Tex is a liar for sure, if he was really thinking what was best for his family, he wouldn’t have chosen the Bronx that’s for sure. However, the Angels couldn’t and should have approached that price tag, were by far the best team in the West, had a great option in Kendry and I was all the more excited.

This is completely different, you must recognize that. We simply don’t have a good option for LF. We need someone who gets into scoring position quite often because our middle of the order guys tend to fail a lot. More opportunites = more runs= more wins. On top of which the defense an OF of Crawford, Bourjos and Hunter could provide would be unbelievably refreshing in comparison to this year. And with Kendry coming back we should be better at plating those RISP. But it all starts with someone getting on 2B, and not many do it better than Carl Crawford.

The thing about the “Rev Crowd” is they always assume players can be categorized, as can fans and automatically assume they are right and are quick to inform those of them being right. Have I been wrong? Sure, with Wood and Shea Hillenbrand. Kohn, well we’ll see. But I’ve also been right too.

What about Figgy?

  Wasn’t he too old or something? how old will Crawford be? How much money do you all want to give to a ‘ageing’ outfielder.?

Aging.....He's going to be 30.

And he’s a LF, a position which does not require a great deal of range, something Crawford has and would still have even if he were to lose a step. I wouldn’t hesitate to sign that man to a 4 year deal.

Crawford will probably end up getting a 5-6 year deal.
Well if that's the case then count me among those who will suggest steering clear.

I don’t trust hitters over the age of 34 unless they’ve been enhanced a la Barry Bonds. Even then, I don’t think I want them.

Crawford is 28

So sign him to a 6 year deal and you get ages 29-34. You never have to worry about what he’ll be after 34.

Bottom line

We can’t afford Crawford. Keep dreaming….

All but Kazmir.
You forgot Q
That lineup looks like next year will be another year with a limp offense.

I’d like to see hitters with a better ability to get on base than your 1 & 2 and more power than your 4 through 6.

That's pretty much the same team we have now

Plus Carl Crawford. He still can’t pitch the ninth inning, no matter how much you pay him.

Kaleb Cowart....any news on him?

I heard we offered him 1.5 million, and he didn’t completely say no. But he did tweet or FB that he had a great time visiting with FSU coaches. I wonder if we offer him 2.25?

Yes Torii made a bonehead play.

But without his 4-5 today we don’t get within 4 runs.
BOTG goes to Voodoo in this one

the "starting itching" sounds like something you should buy a cream for

voodoo stunk up the joint. BOTG, he is.

I do believe that was intentional

As in, “We want a pitcher, not a belly _.”

I trust you guys

and now I get sh-t from my B-frnd because we lose to the Orioles “worst team” according to him (from Austin). WTH?

True?

Yes

The worst team in baseball. Their bullpen gave up 6 runs to our crappy offense. And our silly bullpen were able to shut them down tonight. Yet we still screw up enough to lose again.

he SHOT you?

Dang… time to find a new b-frnd.

TX losing 5-2 in the 4th

We could’ve been 6 games back at the end of the night if TX loses.

Vincente Padilla has a no hitter going.
How the Padres are in first place with their bats IDK.
THEY HAVE BUD BLACK

Their bullpen is frikkin amazing

His name is cool.
On the bright side at least Boston won't make the playoffs either
No Boston and Doyers=Success!!!
Coulda woula shoulda...

As a fan whose been around long enough to have asked manager Jim Fergosi when they were gonna start winning again(disgruntled fan already at 7)I’ve built up a bit of a tolerance to the utter disappointment I feel w/this team sometimes. But something I can never get over is leaving your starting pitcher in when u KNOW he doesn’t have it. Santana staggered thru his last start and in this game he just fell over. It’s ok to have the quick hook every now and then just like it’s ok to go against the now defunct pattern of pulling your starter too soon to get your 3 different relievers in. Escpecially if said relievers are garbage now. Feels like the late 80’s all over again…“sigh”

First off,

This team, healthy, is waaaayyyyy better than the ‘90s. Secondly, what’s Fergosi say back?

He says:

“My name’s not Fergosi!”

Agree: Why did Scioscia leave Santana in the game as long as he did?

Maybe just an example of how this team has given up. Why not just leave your starting pitcher who’s getting torched stay in the game? What’s the big deal?

According to STATS Inc.

This is the first time the Orioles have beaten us twice in a row since 2006.

That's it. Stock up on water and peanut butter. The apocalypse is coming.
As a representative of the "wide base of low IQ sports numbnuts"

I resent your accusations!
We can’t stand the FSN broadcasts either!

and we want Hud!
17 hits

and we still lose. UNBELIEVABLE

As someone who just recently had to explain the game to a European and brought one to the stadium...

…I guess I’m glad the post-game isn’t shown on MLB.tv.

Tossing in my chips...

We suck. And I will never go to another game……this year, at least.

What a waste of money for an unemployed dude. Shit, if they don’t want to play, I am sure I could let some fly balls fall in front of me, or go give up some tape-measure shots. And I’ll do it for a fraction of the cost. Good night…

Yeah we stopped supporting them with our $$$ a while ago this season.

As a fan, I’ll still watch/listen for free on TV and radio, but I won’t pay until a product comes back that I feel excited to pay for, even if they are not a winning team.

This team is empty looking on both the inside and outside.

Oh, and I'll go ahead and use my monthly allowance... F U C K.

Not that it matters now…

Anyone know what kind of effect tonight's game will have on Jeff Mathis' CERA?
Inventing new ways to lose. what shall we try tomorrow?
Has Wood played since the All-Star break?
2 PA

bascially no

Why is he even on the team?

  He just rots on the bench. He sucks when he plays. And people hope we will make the PS???? What a joke. YOu cant’ when with useless players on the roster.

We don't want to let him go for nothing.

Once we are absolutely out of the race, we’ll see him play.

on the bright side.......

Gorgeous 2-4…nice

Like Haren's acquisition

a step in the right direction

Angel Upgrade Needed

It is about time the Angels upgraded their line up. Time to cut Kazmir who is
an expensive waste of a pitcher. I still cannot understand why the Angels
signed him! Picking up Haren is good but, the Angels need two good hitters
in their line up. Letting go of Vlad Guerrero is one big blunder. Adding Matsui
and Callaspo is not good enough as already seen. The Padres added Tejada
and Ludwick which is pretty good move. Why can’t the Angels sign two good
hitter and insert them in the line up. Despite failing in the post season playoffs
the past how many seasons, the Angels still have not added much needed
offense which is why they continue to lose in the post season. Losing this
season is probably the best thing that happened to the Angels. Maybe, just
maybe, Reagins will wake up and make the changes to upgrade the Angels
line up. Making do with the line up you have is not a very good plan.

We need to trade for Pujols.
So much whining around here

How do you define “failing in the post season playoffs the past how many seasons”? If your definition is not winning a World Series from 2003 to 2009, then yes, I suppose we failed. Last year, we swept the Red Sox and went 6 games with the world champs. Most sane people would not refer to that as failure.

Sounds crazy

why not promote Jim Eppard to hitting coach?

Abso-friggin-lootely.

Clearly Hatcher was the reason Hunter was caught wandering so far off of second base it almost appeared he was trying to steal third.

And Clearly Hatcher’s idiotic hat wearing had Santana so distracted he found it impossible to pull his head out of his ass and pitch at least to the level of Kazmir.

And those 17 hits on offense? Suck it. Any normal team would have had, what, 34?

We fall back to 9 games out
like i said yesterday

tori’s PR team can’t make me forget how many runs he has cost this team on the basepaths alone.

Another epic fail by the Los Angeles Cluster Fucks of Anaheim
What Fergosi said

Well, according to my mom, after my hard hitting ?, Mr. Fergosi’s smile disappeared,he looked at me, looked at her, turned and walked away before my horrified mother could utter a word. I coulda cared less cuz I saw Don Baylor and quickly forgot about our soon to be gone manager. Ah memories.

huh?
pass whatever he's smokin!
Below 500

we have hit rock bottom

You need to check out LSB and the thread about the auction being over of their front page....

crazy stuff going on it there.

Finally found out who the financial backers for the Ryan/Greenberg group was…. 2 Texas oil billionaires that ponied up the entire payment part in cash…

Torii's reaction to his CS

“That was stupid,” Hunter said softly. “That was so stupid. Can’t take it back, killed the rally, terrible. They teach you that in Little League — don’t make the first out at third. [It] might have been the dumbest thing I’ve done in years.”

and Scioscia’s comments

“There’s no real advantage to that, Torii doesn’t feel good about that,” Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. “He’s playing aggressive, he’s trying, but if there’s a time when, obviously, there’s more of an advantage — right there, there’s less of an advantage — and obviously the risk isn’t on our side.”

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100804&content_id=13027076&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

Was it a hit-and-run?

why would they have a hit and run on though when trailing by two?

Just asking, as Howie missed terribly on that swing. I contend that it was an impromptu hit and run and Howie missed.

More like a run and hit.

Howie saw Torii take off, couldn’t believe it and swung to try to protect him.

This entire thread makes my head hurt....

Oh and how about 2011?
LF Crawford
2B Kendrick
1B ADRIAN GONZALEZ
RF Hunter
DH KENDRY MORALES
3B Callaspo
C Napoli
SS Aybar
CF Bourjos
               Looks a lot better to me lol.

I can't see it

What would we have to trade to get Gonzalez? They probably don’t do the deal without Trout, and that is a no-sale. It’s kind of a waste though, as both Gonzalez and Morales are good defenders at first. How about Adam Dunn instead?

You improve the offense just as much, and Dunn’s lack of defense doesn’t hurt us at DH.

Pujols >>> A-Gonz...

duh.

;P

oh Boy...

If we can’t even beat the Baltimore Urinals, who can we beat?

We beat Cliff Lee...

that’s all I got… sorry

Can we deal Fuentes and Rodney already?

We don’t need them any more. We don’t want them any more. Get a couple prospects, anything. Supposedly there was interest in both of them at the deadline…

it was a joke.

I’m sure we could trade something like Morales, Conger, and maybe one other top prospect pitcher for him while staying away from trout..
Pujols is >>> A.Gonz but what are the chances we get him 0%. A.Gonz was gonna get traded this year till they padres became a contender so atleast we had a chance with him.
Seriously A.Gonz and Morales are gonna hit free agency soon. Gonzo isn’t represented by Scott Boras but Morales is so id rather pay 20mil to A.Gonz instead of Morales. Wouldn’t you?

The Pujols thinkg was a joke, too...

didja notice the little winkie-eyed grin? Duh again. ;)

also...

REPLY FAIL.

We can use morales injury against him

If we can reach an extension with him this Offseason and use his injury as leverage. We can save some extra dough.

awwwww

Fail!! Lol I didn’t even notice I rolled right past it.

Ryanfea&Downingrules

Sorry guys, was responding to a ? Figgi4life had about my “conversation” w/Fergosi when I was a youngin a few posts back. Forgot that a certain faction of Angel fans has a hard time reading with glazed over eyes and may miss a few posts when something shiny is spotted. ;)

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