Angels end scoring drought with late home-run flurry against Mariners - Seattle Times Newspaper

Weren't we saying the same things about Jered Weaver last previous couple seasons that Pauley mentioned above, that a pitcher could be cruising along and then all of a sudden...game over. I thought it was interesting the way he puts it, "the game speeds up". Anyway, I'm sure we're all glad Weaver's been able to avoid the big inning. Also, it should be noted that Peter Bourjos is hitting over .200 and has one less home run than Jeff Mathis. Get your highlights here: Angels get the out to make up for a miscue - Juan Rivera applies the tag to Franklin Gutierrez after an error by Peter Bourjos nearly cost the Angels in the bottom of the ninth (looked safe to me), Bourjos breaks the ice with a solo dinger - Peter Bourjos breaks a scoreless tie with a big fly to center field in the top of the sixth, Abreu adds on with a long ball to center - Bobby Abreu follows Peter Bourjos' homer from earlier in the sixth with a solo blast to center field (almost to the exact spot as Bourjos'), Matsui doubles the lead with a two-run shot - Hideki Matsui rips a two-run long ball to right field for the Angels' third home run of the inning, Abreu (Bourjos) catches Gutierrez trying for third - Bobby Abreu (no, Peter Bourjos) corrals a double over his (Abreu's) head and throws out Franklin Gutierrez trying for a triple. Whoever writes the descriptions at MLB completely got this one wrong. The play was in left field, where Abreu was playing, but Bourjos came all the way over from center to make the play.
Angels-Mariners Preview - FOX Sports on MSN
With their extended scoreless-inning stretch behind them, the Angels try for a fifth consecutive road victory over Felix Hernandez and the Mariners on Tuesday night. The right-hander allowed eight runs, three homers and walked four in 3 1-3 innings of an 8-0 loss in his last home start against the Angels on May 7. Hernandez, however, has allowed eight runs - one earned - and struck out 40 over 30 innings while winning three of his last four starts overall. He gave up that earned run and struck out nine in 7 1-3 innings of a 4-2 win at Boston on Wednesday. He also became the fourth pitcher in Mariners history to record 1,000 strikeouts. The Angels counter with Dan Haren (2-4, 4.02), who will try to win two straight starts for the first time since joining the Angels last month. After allowing seven runs in seven innings of a 7-2 loss at Minnesota on Aug. 20, Haren gave up one and three hits while striking out eight in a 12-3 win over Tampa Bay on Wednesday. The Angels had scored 14 runs in his previous six starts since being traded by Arizona on July 25.
Jered Weaver has faced Hernandez three times this season, winning twice (he had a no-decision in the other game which the Angels won). Let's see if Haren has ace-stuff and can do as well against Seattle's stud.
No deal by Sox, Angels for Napoli - WEEI.com
The Red Sox, after being awarded a waiver claim last week on Angels catcher and first baseman Mike Napoli, did not reach agreement with Los Angeles on a deal involving the catcher by the time that Monday's deadline for an agreement passed, according to a major league source. As a result, the Angels have pulled Napoli back from waivers, and he will remain with the Halos.According to a second source familiar with the situation, the Angels were "not really looking to move" Napoli right now. Even so, the team could revisit that stance this coming offseason.
I understand teams will place most of their players on waivers during this time of the season, but I'm puzzled as to why they'd place a player like Napoli on waivers if they're "not really looking to move" him. The only reason I can come up with is they were hoping Nap's would clear and then the club would be able to negotiate with any team. I've also read that a team can find out who's interested in the player by seeing who claims him. This is a lame excuse as I'm sure teams are well aware of who's interested in their players. Also this just leads to the question; why are they interested in trading him?
Mike Napoli remains with Angels — and on the bench - latimes.com
Asked before Monday night's game in Seattle what the odds were of him being an Angel next season, Napoli said, "It could go either way; I'd say it's 50-50. Napoli, like many Angels fans, can't understand why a team that scored all of one run — on a balk — in three games against the lowly Baltimore Orioles over the weekend would not want its home run leader in the lineup.The Angels say Napoli has had ample opportunity. "He's played virtually every day," Manager Mike Scioscia said. "A lot of guys are fighting for at-bats. Mike has been in there a lot, and he's driven the ball for us."
Last week I wrote Mike Scioscia was insane and he keeps adding to my proof. Or so I thought when I read his above quote. I almost sprayed coffee all over my laptop when I read "he's played virtually every day". I was thinking the key word in that quote was "virtually" assuming Scioscia was talking about Napoli's season on his Xbox, but then I looked into it and Napoli has played in 113 of the Angels 132 games. Of the catchers in the major leagues, he ranks 5th in games played and although he's played just 63 games behind the plate, when (if?) he plays in his next game, it'll match his career high in games played. Many of us think that total should be higher considering the opportunity to fill in at first base, but at least he has played in more games than Juan Rivera.
Reagins shrugs off waiver-claim chatter - angelsbaseball.com
Three quotes from the linked article:
"That's the system," Scioscia said. "When it's leaked out, a lot of people who don't understand the system sensationalize stuff. That's routine. Don't read a lot into it. Just about every player on this team has been put on waivers."
"It's something that's out of my control," Napoli said before Monday night's game at Safeco Field against the Mariners. "It's good to know that other teams are interested in you. It's good that I didn't go unclaimed."
"He (Joel Pineiro) had a great session today," Scioscia said. "He's passing every checkpoint with flying colors. He turned it loose to day on the mound. We'll see how he comes out of it. We'll see if we can get him in a sim game, hopefully by the end of the road trip."
Angels " Win Probability " Monday, August 30, 2010 - FanGraphs Baseball
A digital salute to pitch grips - The Hardball Times
One thing I have come to realize is that while a picture is worth a thousand words, a catalog of pitch grip images quickly becomes unwieldy for search and comparison among pitchers. For this task, a table of quantitative descriptions of each pitchers' pitch grips would be desirable. For a single given pitcher, four or five selected images still provide the most accurate and easily understood way to communicate how he grips the baseball. But if I want to know how his four-seam fastball grip compares to the fastball grips of other pitchers in the league, a digital record is needed.
Pretty cool article showing different pitchers and the way they grip their pitches.
Cain is shaken up making a leaping catch - Video - MLB.com
Lorenzo Cain is shaken up as he crashes into the left-center field wall making an amazing leaping catch, Cain remains in the game
Wrigley's peanut-free suite clears way for one fan's special day - Big League Stew - Yahoo! Sports
Yes, for the first time in team history, the Cubs are hosting a group of fans who are allergic to peanuts in a special suite that will be peanut free. That the mere presence of peanuts makes a ballpark completely off-limits to a certain group of people is often hard for some to understand. During Friday's game, Cubs announcer Ron Santo exhibited a lack of knowledge when he laughed and poked fun at the peanut-free night. "Wait, why don't they just not eat the peanuts?" Santo said. "They can't even be around it?" No, Ron, they can't.
I too was completely unaware that a peanut allergy could be so severe.
During tantrum, minor league manager pulls up 1st base, signs it - Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
Robinson immediately return to the field in a frenzy that included yelling, screaming, kicking dirt on home plate, covering home plate with dirt using his hands and kicking dirt on the umpire. Robinson then jogged to first base and pulled it out of the ground. Was he going to have a Lou Piniella moment and throw it any old place? Better. Robinson instead reached inside the front of his jersey and pulled out a pen — like the kind any manager would use to make notations on a lineup card — and he signed the bag.
Scioscia needs to be more like this guy. JUST KIDDING!
Clemens swaggers through his arraignment - Yahoo! Sports
Clemens barely moved as his attorneys and the prosecutors determined when they could start the trial. Walton’s calendar seemed to have a sense of irony when it suggested April 5, 2011, which will be the first week of next year’s baseball season. The date was sealed. April 5 it will be. Clemens always loved the big stage and what could be better than taking on his accusers on opening week?
Two different takes on Manny Ramirez from Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal:
Chicago White Sox make good move acquiring Manny Ramirez - FOX Sports on MSN
The White Sox didn’t surrender any players. They didn’t commit to the mercurial Manny beyond the end of this season. They did, however, improve their fading postseason hopes. That’s enough to make this move worthwhile. If you can’t fathom why anyone would want to take on Manny and his many headaches, I would invite you to check the American League Central standings. The White Sox trail the Minnesota Twins by four games.
Is Manny Ramirez an improvement for White Sox? - FOX Sports on MSN
He quit on the Red Sox. He quit on the Dodgers. The Hall includes its share of miscreants, but Manny has routinely engaged in conduct detrimental to his team. Yes, he produced great numbers. Yes, he was a joy to watch. But certain standards of decency apply.
My take? I think it's a good pick up by the Sox, especially since they didn't have to give up any players.
And a couple takes on the McCourts:
McCourt divorce trial makes departing Manny Ramirez look normal - Lee Jenkins - SI.com
The Dodgers could apparently handle only one freak show at a time, so Manny Ramirez had to go, ceding the stage to Frank and Jamie McCourt.With the Dodgers virtually eliminated from the playoff race, this divorce hearing is all their fans have left, a chance to watch those who brought down the franchise disintegrate along with it. Here is the rare opportunity for folks in the cheap seats to laugh at ones in the owners' box. The Dodgers lead the league in lawyers, and they will be out in force starting today, as Frank tries to keep the club for himself, and Jamie tries to keep a share, and fans root for both of them to lose. This was no place for Manny Ramirez. He was the normal one.
There are no winners in McCourt trial - FOX Sports on MSN
You want to know why a team in America’s second biggest market has a payroll less than the Minnesota Twins? Because now as ever, Frank doesn’t have the bank for this. In his opening statement, Susman admitted that the acquisition of the Dodgers "turned out to be one of the most highly leveraged acquisitions in the history of major league baseball." Never mind that he pays himself -- in addition to all the monies and tax breaks he takes from the team -- $5 million per (as opposed to Jamie’s mere $2 million as CEO before he fired her). This will go on for a couple more weeks, the preening and posturing. Then Judge Scott Gordon will make a decision. One hopes it balances the laws of community property with a sense of the community’s interest. Either way, the guy’s got a hard choice, declaring a winner from two losers.
Wow. Are the McCourts a couple "freaks" and "losers". I admit from the things I've read leading up to this divorce trail that they seem, how should I put this, outrageous, but not much different than other people with too much money.
Can this be over yet?:
| American League West | |||||||||||
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB | |||||||
| Texas | 74 | 57 | .565 | - | |||||||
| Oakland | 65 | 65 | .500 | 8½ | |||||||
| L.A. Angels | 64 | 68 | .485 | 10½ | |||||||
| Seattle | 51 | 80 | .389 | 23 | |||||||
August 31 - BR Bullpen
Events, births and deaths that occurred on August 31.
1964 - Ground is broken for Anaheim Stadium, future home of next year's California Angels. The REAL "happiest place on earth".
1979 - The Angels regain 1st place in the AL West by beating the Indians, 9 - 8. California scores five runs in the 8th on three homers, then watch as Cleveland scores four to tie.
1990 - Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey, Sr. become the first father and son to play in the same major league lineup.
1999 - Down 12 - 4, the Indians rally for 10 runs in the bottom of the 8th inning to defeat the Angels, 14 - 12.
Happy b-day:
1935 - Frank Robinson, outfielder, manager; All-Star, Hall of Famer
1961 - Me
1979 - Shane Loux, pitcher
1979 - Tim Raines, outfielder
R.I.P.:
2001 - Crash Davis, infielder (b. 1919)
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I'm sticking with "Paint Drying."
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
That can be pretty sticky if it isn't dry.
Downing Rules - August 31, 2010
Words to live by.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
Allergies are deadly serious business.
The mere presence of peanut dust can trigger an anaphlactic reaction. I’m wondering how the heck they’re going to get to and from the suite.
DISCLAIMER: My daughter is allergic to tree nuts (not peanuts, baruch Hashem). People do not realize how serious allergies are — they think, “Oh, she’ll itch for a while”. I tend to use the words “drop dead” to get people’s attention.
red floyd - August 31, 2010
You're right.
I don’t think most people put much thought or significance into allergies like these until they’ve had direct experience, or been affected by them.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
Yeah. Some of the comments on that story made me want to scream.
red floyd - August 31, 2010
Story from about 10 years ago
First week of 2nd grade. Back to School Night.
I stood up and explained that my daughter was deathly allergic to tree nuts — I used the words “drop dead” — and could parents please, PLEASE, PLEASE be careful with what they send with their kids as treats for the class.
This was Wednesday night. On Friday, some idiot mother sent her kid with brownies loaded with walnuts.
The teacher was great — the brownies were not eaten. Nobody in the class got any, and the brownies were sent back home.
red floyd - August 31, 2010
Hey, Ron Santo
I’ve got something I’d like you to read.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
That's insane.
That’s why these crazy kids shouldn’t be making out.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
I'm an RN and...
Peanut allergies are some of the most severe allergies on earth. They are very serious. People with peanut allergies should always carry an epi pen for this reason.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
*anaphylactic*
red floyd - August 31, 2010
correct sir
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Le Shana Tova my Jewish brother
Halos in DE - August 31, 2010
Mazeltoff!
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
L’shana Tova to you too!
For all you goyim out there, that’s “Happy New Year”.
red floyd - August 31, 2010
Happy BDay Foo
PhiSlamma - August 31, 2010
Thanks
WiHaloFan - August 31, 2010
Those of us of a certain age
Remember Ron Santo in his playing days as the spokeschimp in ads for Snickers bars, flashing a fistful of shelled peanuts in his hand to signify how many peanuts are in the candy.
I guess he’s still a shill for the peanut industry.
George Kaplan - August 31, 2010
Hate to say this but...
Is it time 4 Pete to lead off? No 1 else on this team seems capable.
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010 via mobile
Nah
At this point, we’re just going to have to live with incompetence from the leadoff spot. Putting Bourjos there might put unnecessary pressure on him right when he seems to be getting his rhythm at the plate. If he keeps developing this year, maybe it’s something they look into doing next season, but there’s no reason to rush it and risk a backslide from Peter.
Gorbachav5 - August 31, 2010
Stop making so much sense.
This is the internet after all.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
My bad
TRADE FOR JUAN PIERRE! HE’S TEH AWESOME!
Better?
Gorbachav5 - August 31, 2010
Watch it.
WiHaloFan - August 31, 2010
You should write an open love letter to JP
And make it a fanPost.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
He knows how I feel.
WiHaloFan - August 31, 2010
This I can live with.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
I understand the logic...
On the other hand, I’m not sure it would really add much pressure to the guy. He seems to be making adjustments already…
Halos are simply inept at leadoff. Pete takes hbp, has speed, and makes decent contact. Let him work up his confidence for another few days and make the move. It is where he is used to batting in lineup. There is a lot to putting a guy in his comfort zone too! His “role” in baseball is as a leadoff-type player. He is used to it and comfortable there. I hear what you are saying, but I don’t think it would make a significant difference to him as it might to someone else…(looking at you Eybar)
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
You may be right
I mean, it’s all speculation. If Scioscia feels like Bourjos can mentally handle the move, then absolutely he should do it. He’s much more in tune with his players’ psyches than I am.
From where I’m sitting, I see the guy finally getting some consistent, solid contact from the 9 spot and putting some good ABs together. I see a team that’s not going to contend whether they move him to leadoff or not. And I see that typically the 1 spot is where you put a guy who gets on base a lot. Given that getting on base (i.e. working walks) isn’t something that has been Bourjos’s strong suit throughout his carrer, I worry that moving him up to leadoff would actually take him OUT of his comfort zone and ask him to perform a skill (plate discipline) that he hasn’t developed yet. I’d rather him develop at the bottom of the order and improve his plate discipline there before he gets moved up.
For as bad as our leadoff hitters have been, thus far Bourjos has been far worse as a hitter.
Gorbachav5 - August 31, 2010
Good points
K3YEROUT - September 1, 2010
eh
Just keep Abreu there. He’s in a slump but I don’t think that experiment should be permanently aborted. He still gets on base better than anyone else on this team, especially when you consider his weak BA this year.
dmhead - September 1, 2010
agreed
hk47 - August 31, 2010
dude, watching paint dry is kinda interesting
like, seriously
desecrator09 - August 31, 2010
http://www.mirimgs.com/webcam/paint.html
red floyd - August 31, 2010
Static images
I’m going to cry false advertising.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Has anyone ever died from second-hand peanut inhalation?
clover_black - August 31, 2010
Yes
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Happy B-Day, Jim
and many thanks for all that you do here
Quad Fin Rider - August 31, 2010
Thank you.
WiHaloFan - August 31, 2010
Happy B-Day Jim -- many more to come!
red floyd - August 31, 2010
I associate the big inning with Lackey
hauldog - August 31, 2010
ditto
took him years to get that right…and he seems to be back at it in BoSuxville
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
Which makes me smile
I knew he was going to get an ugly contract. i just did not realize how quickly it would become ugly
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Really?
You’re probably right, but I thought Weaver would get rattled and that’d be it.
WiHaloFan - August 31, 2010
They both could be
Young Lackey used to throw 5 shut out innings and drop a 5 spot in the 6th quite frequently.
I don’t remember Weaver blowing QS. I do remember him getting pissed and letting 1 run grow into something bigger
hauldog - August 31, 2010
It was lackey.
Downing Rules - August 31, 2010
From BP...
“offense-first catcher” part cracked me up!
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
Oh...and here is the 3b we should have been targeting from the Royals, not Collapso!
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
I got that both these dudes' autographs at the Futures Game!
I doubt they would have given us Moustakas for the same price as Callaspo.
Commander_Nate - August 31, 2010
What up Nate!
How goes it?
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
The boxes, they keep coming!
Seriously, I’m like the poster boy for fmylife.com right now. If it wasn’t for the fact that I could take internet breaks every so often, I’d kill myself.
Commander_Nate - August 31, 2010
What kind of work do you do?
Sounds like shipping? I think you’ve told me before but I forgot.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
I do filing and records management at a law firm
I came back from vacation a few weeks ago and they told me I need to review every file we have for a group of clients that we’ve been working for since the mid-80’s. Needless to say, there’s a ton of shit and it comes on top of my normal day-to-day workload.
Not exactly what I wanna do for a career, but it’s a living for now.
Commander_Nate - August 31, 2010
Right on. My bro used to do the same thing.
I never thought I’d be doing what my current job is but sometimes that’s the way it goes. My plan was to go into software but the job market out here is dead unless you’re an awesome developer, or seasoned salesman.
I’m just happy to have a job that pays the bills right now and I hope I can get back into what I really want to do after the market improves.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
understand...
I’m just not in favor of making trades to make trades. Make a trade with a purpose. I still do not see the purpose to the Collapso trade. He has done ok since he arrived, but he is not a long-term solution at 3b…
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
His last name sounds like a tasty Greek entree.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
Or a Mexican dish that would be served in Canada or Alaska
Gorbachav5 - August 31, 2010
yeah right on Moustakas
hauldog - August 31, 2010
ad nauseum...
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
filthy wiggler
hauldog - August 31, 2010
How about a breakdown of Napoli's 505 innings as far as how many innings for each pitcher.
Same with Mathis. If Mathis always catches WTY and Naps is always stuck with Karmis then that explains the difference right there. I’m too GA to look it up myself.
And if WTY prefers to always have Mathis catch then he shouldn’t wonder why the team hasn’t scored more than 4 runs in any of his last 13 starts.
Fred Fredrix - August 31, 2010
Matt Welch or Sam Miller already did that
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Both did...
That’s why I didn’t cover it in my “dead horse” beating of a fanpost.
Downing Rules - August 31, 2010
If that horse has beaten to death
Why are people like K3YEROUT reposting the same thing over and over?
Barca - September 1, 2010
Maybe it's kinda like the "GA is lazy" même...
It gives us something to laugh about once in a while.
Downing Rules - September 1, 2010
You are 100% correct
Napoli has caught the bulk of Kazmir’s starts, including the 13 run meltdown against Oakland. He was also Saunders’ personal catcher while he was with the team. Maybe Scioscia thinks his “shaky set up” doesn’t affect lefties as much.
dmhead - August 31, 2010
Everytime Bourjos homers Willits cries
as he gets that much closer to losing his roster spot. :)
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Willits should have a place on this roster at least as long as Juan Rivera does
If Juan Rivera had 1/1000th of the ballsand hustle Reggie Willits had, he might actually be a useful ML player.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
On the other hand, Bourjos is proving he is no Willits
He’s definitely got some power. A few dudes on this site were saying Bourjos was Reggie Willits v2. Where are they now? This kid can hit.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
In his last 6 games he's slugging .588.
RexTookMyStash - August 31, 2010
I doubt Willites EVER hit a ball as far as Bourjos HR last night.
That includes video games.
sothball - August 31, 2010
A Reggie Willits create a player is still a POS
hauldog - August 31, 2010
I think Bourjos still has to look up to Willits
I know, I know, it’s sacrilege. But as fast as Bourjos is, he’d be a lot more valuable getting on base 36% of the time and hitting 5 home runs a year than getting on base 30% of the time and hitting 15 home runs a year.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
If Willits could hit 5 HR's in his life I might take this seriously
I do no twant Bourjos to even talk to Willits that sub .700 OPS might be contagious.
And yes I know the 5 HR’s was in reference to Bourjos. Just pointing out that Willits is a power suck because I like to. 33XBH in 938 PA’s
Also it is hard work to have your SLG% that much lower than your OBP.
hauldog - August 31, 2010
You can't compare SLG and OBP point-for-point
Last year Figgins had a higher OBP than SLG, and he ranked 5th in the AL in wins above replacement. A guy who gets on base 40% of the time is going to very valuable even if he hits 0 home runs, especially if he can run.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Where did I compare them? No where
It is somewhat rare to have as large of gap between your OBP and SLG as Willits does when your OBP>SLG.
I am very happy for Figgins, his OBP and SLG were seperated by .002. A little different than what I am pointing out with Willits no?
Give me a call when Willits get on base 40% of the time. That will be the only time that his career .312 SLG% will be tolerable IMO.
hauldog - August 31, 2010
and even if he continues to slug .312, he is infinitely more valuable
than Juan Rivera, simple because he plays like he cares. I’d rather have a team full of Reggie Willits’ than one Juan Rivera.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
So 2010 Juan defines Juan as a player
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Juan's has always been a lazy ass
2010 is a microcosm of every thing he is. A huevon.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
*Juan has
hk47 - August 31, 2010
OK well 2008 and 2009 are Reggie Willits
That is is same amount of PA’s as he has had in 2010.
Reggie is a little midget who can’t hit the ball out of the infield and slugs a robust .312 or so. I could care less if he lived in a batting cage or not. He can’t hit for shit. Sub .550 OPS kind of guy
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Again, a post reeking of miscast hatred for a player with little statistical basis
Get over yourself. Normally you make sense, but this argument is ridiculous and you know it.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
I was casting Reggie in the light you cast Juan
I used your evaluation technique
hauldog - August 31, 2010
he doesn't have a career .550 OBP
come on! Be logical
hk47 - August 31, 2010
OPS would you like a stat lesson?
hauldog - August 31, 2010
*OPS
hk47 - August 31, 2010
In 2008 and 2009
He HAD a sub .550 OPS in total. That happened
hauldog - August 31, 2010
I'm not saying you have to like Willits
Go ahead and hate him. He’s not a great player. He’s not even a good one. If you only want to like good baseball players, then that’s your right. Just lay off the numbers. They’re not on your side here.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
That post is making fun of how hk47 evaluated rivera
hauldog - August 31, 2010
What?
The fact he is a notorious lazy ass? That speaks for itself. He’s god-awful defensively and he’s a loper. He makes BJ Upton and Hanley Ramirez look like hustling players
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Juan Rivera had a UZR of 12.7 last year
I know this fluctuates but
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Maybe it's the season that has rubbed off on him
I don’t know, but he has cost this team some games this year offensively and defensively
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Agreed
2010 Juan makes me want to puke
It was not my intention to get Juancho involved in this. I was merely expressing my opinion that I did not think Willlits should be anything more than a pinch runner late innings OF defensive replacement
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Well, we'll agree to disagree on this one hauldog
I don’t hold it against you either and I hope you feel this same.
I think Willits does have some value (perhaps not as an everyday player- but on this current team, why not?).
I think he’s the best leadoff option on the team right now. He’s at least in the conversation.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
He's not lazy
He’s just a bad fielder. The laziness is just our perception of his poor speed and bad routes to the ball. That’s just a lack of skill, not a moral failure.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
No Suboptimal, I disagree
I’ve seen him come down for a rehab assignment a few years ago here in SLC and watched him lope around and not give a rat’s ass.
Watching him play LF this year has only confirmed the fact that he’s not only lazy- he’s terrible defensively despite his good arm.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
I suppose busting his leg in a collision...
Back in winterball during 2006 was laziness too.
Come on bro, we all know Juan is big, lumbering and slow and all the things Suboptimal said. We’ve already had that conversation numerous times here this season and basically established that when he’s having a good year, Juan is a good contributor to the team overall, not a superstar, but still worth having around. His 2006 and 2009 numbers prove it and his numbers from 2008 aren’t bad either considering he was coming back from a nearly career ending injury and he had to fight for time with GA, Torii, Vlad, GMJ and others.
What his problem is this year, I don’t know.
Commander_Nate - August 31, 2010
slugging % is only one tool of evaluation
Let me give you a list of the LAA players with a higher OBA than Reggie Willits this season:
- Torii Hunter.
That’s it.
He’s the best leadoff option on this team right now. He’s above average defensively in LF (where he doesn’t need a great arm). Continue bashing if you want (is this because he’s never hit a HR?), but you’re off-base on this one.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Thanks for the stat lesson I never said SLG% was the end all be all.
I will stand by my position that his his low SLG% is unacceptable as a major league regular, and probably is not going to play well on a team competing for a pennant.
Reggie is 0.1 WAR player getting paid $625,000. I would rather he just go away
hauldog - August 31, 2010
This post reeks of someone who hates Reggie Willits without any real basis
hk47 - August 31, 2010
And you're welcome for the stat lesson
But, you’re too prideful for it to mean anything
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Really?
I never said SLG was the end all be all, but you can’t have guys like Reggie at corner OF positions. That kind of power is reserved for MI.
I’m too prideful? You did not teach me a god damn thing about SLG%.
hauldog - August 31, 2010
I wasn't trying to!
Nobody here is arguing that Reggie has a great slugging average! Really? Go re-read my post.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Let me help you
slugging % is only one tool of evaluation
Let me give you a list of the LAA players with a higher OBA than Reggie Willits this season:
- Torii Hunter.
That’s it.
He’s the best leadoff option on this team right now. He’s above average defensively in LF (where he doesn’t need a great arm). Continue bashing if you want (is this because he’s never hit a HR?), but you’re off-base on this one.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Hold up
Reggie’s career OPS+ and BA are both over 20 points lower than Juan’s. He had a .293 BA and .391 OBP exactly once. Since then, he’s been mediocre at best.
Reggie’s problem is his absolute lack of power. You don’t need to hit homeruns in MLB, but you do at least need to be able to hit it over the OF’s collective heads. After 2007, the league quickly figured out that the dude is not a threat to do that very often on top of the adjustments that pitchers inevitably made to him. Since then his OBP per season hasn’t been anything special.
Even during a shitty year like he’s having now, Juan Rivera is a far, far more dangerous hitter than Reggie Willits. He’s had two very good years (‘06 and ’09) and maybe one more if not for injury. Reggie, as much as we all loved him for it, hasn’t repeated his 2007 performance and shouldn’t be more than a pinch runner and 4th OF.
Commander_Nate - August 31, 2010
Dangerous hitters
Of course Rivera can hit the ball a lot harder than Willits. If this is how you define a “dangerous” hitter, then Rivera is much more dangerous. But Rivera makes so many outs that in the long run, he doesn’t score your team any more runs than Willits. In the end, we’re talking about two replacement players who make up their “value” in different ways. Neither of them is really any good, but at least Willits isn’t pulling down millions this year and next.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Reggie's lack of power comprimises his ability to hit sac flies.
Opposing details play him very shallow.
hauldog - August 31, 2010
"But Rivera makes so many outs that in the long run, he doesn’t score your team any more runs than Willits"
Nice.
Rivera 3 RAR in 386 PA’s
Willits 1 RAR in 134 PA’s
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Seriously?
386 PA / 134 PA = 2.88
2.88 * 1 RAR = 2.88 RAR, rounds off to 3 RAR
Their rate of run production looks the same to me.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Exactly.
Juan is having an off year and still produces at the same rate as Willits who is having a good year.
This does not jive with “But Rivera makes so many outs that in the long run, he doesn’t score your team any more runs than Willits”
hauldog - August 31, 2010
But what about the fact that
Rivera is so much poorer of a defensive OF’er than Willits? This has to figure in!
hk47 - August 31, 2010
It does.
There are plenty of cheaper options out there to be defensive replacement pinch runner types.
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Of course it's true of their career numbers
But we’re not talking about 2006 Juan. We wouldn’t even be bothering to compare them if this was 2006.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Then pull 2007 out of Reggie. He'll never sniff that again
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Not when he isn't getting consistent playing time
When he does, he produces
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Really? care to back that up?
hauldog - August 31, 2010
I think Suboptimal and I have already made our case
He’s at least Rivera’s equal in production at a far cheaper price.
More than anything, I admire Willits because he plays hard and I stick by my statement that I’d rather watch a team-full of Willits’ rather than one Juan Rivera.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
I've already said as much
We’re comparing 2010 Juan to 2010 Reggie.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
fair enough.
2010 and 2010 alone Juan is overpaid and Reggie is a better contributor for the price.
my opinon of the players is that juan is much better than 201 and Reggie is not as good as 2010
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Perhaps
But maybe if Willits got the playing time Rivera did, he’d be a much more productive player relative to his salary than Rivera is.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Again care to back that up
hauldog - August 31, 2010
We've already been over this
see Suboptimal’s post about production relative to salary.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
Commander Nate
It doesn’t matter if he’s getting to second or third on his own. He’s getting on base more than any player on the team save Torii Hunter. Too bad he doesn’t play enough, because he plays his ass off. I admire Reggie Willits.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
33XBH in 938 PA’s is dogshit. FACT
hauldog - August 31, 2010
938 PA's nets 1.1 WAR.
Freaking awesome
hauldog - August 31, 2010
You are comparing them
By saying that is unacceptable for SLG to exceed OBP.
OBPs higher than SLGs rarely occur not because they are inherently bad, but because it’s very rare to find a player who also walks a lot with little power. Luis Castillo is probably the only player I can think of who has made a career of it, and it’s been a pretty decent career overall.
Reggie had a .394 OBP in 2007, his only season as a semi-regular player, while only slugging .344. It wasn’t a coincidence that he scored a ton of runs. Now I doubt he’s capable of doing that again. He’s almost 30 now. But I’m not advocating replacing Bourjos with Willits either. What I’m saying is that I would much rather see Bourjos get on base a lot than hit a lot of home runs.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
No I said it was hard to acheive
I said his SLG% was unacceptable
33XBH in 938 PA’s is dogshit. Fact.
hauldog - August 31, 2010
achieve
hauldog - August 31, 2010
No
All other things being equal, 33XBH in 938 PAs is dogshit. But not everything is equal in this case. Willits makes fewer outs than Juan Rivera or Peter Bourjos. Overall, 33XBH in 938 PAs is just barely acceptable for a major league player who also has a .363 career OBP. What is never acceptable is a .268 OBP, which is where Bourjos is sitting right now.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
He is a corner outfielder.
His D does not warrant him playing in center and his bat does not warrant him playing a corner OF spot. If he were a MI I would not pay him any attention at all.
That .363 career OBP is the biggest load of shit out there. The dude is 0.1 WAR player getting paid $625,000
hauldog - August 31, 2010
He's a replacement player getting a replacement player's salary
I don’t see the injustice. 0.1 WAR is valued at about $500,000. If you want to get mad about WAR and salary, Willits is wrong the target. How about Torii Hunter? 2.8 WAR does not come close to making up for his $18 million salary. It actually falls more than $5 million short.
Anyways, we’re arguing over whether a dollar bill is worth the same as ten dimes. They are. I’m just going to leave it there.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
No you were putting words in mouth and humping willits OBP
I’ll leave it at that
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Replacement player
Well he will get a raise a next year and they should do just that, replace him. There are plenty of other options that are cheaper
hauldog - August 31, 2010
No argument there
I don’t really care what happens to Willits. But if it was a choice between the two, I’d much rather retain Rivera for $900,000 than Juan Rivera for $5.25 million.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
Fair enough
I was not trying to defend Juan. I am strictly a Reggie basher. 2010 Juan makes me want to puke.
Juan is OVERPAID. I totally agree. I liked the contract at the time, but now not so much
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Reggie Willits
Yes, he hustles. No, he is not an everyday outfielder on any MLB team that wants to be taken seriously or that wants to make the playoffs. He’s not even the 2nd coming of Orlando Palmiero.
Reggie had a great first half of 2008…until opposing teams/pitchers found his weaknesses. Since then, he has shown very little ability to get on base. He’s a nice guy with ZERO power. If being nice earnsan extended stay in MLB, let’s re-claim Curtis Pride.
sothball - August 31, 2010
In all seriousness
Bourjos plays better d and has shown he can at least come close in the hitting department. having both of them on the roster is redundant IMO
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Included in Bourjos' better D is a really good (not great) arm...
Reggie has an average to below average arm, imho.
Downing Rules - August 31, 2010
No question about Peter's D
But Bourjos still as a long way to go at the plate.
Suboptimal - August 31, 2010
There is a spot for Weggie...
we have so many OLD players that need late inning runner/defensive replacement…I don’t have a problem with that
K3YEROUT - August 31, 2010
My guess Willits is gone. Or is in AAA next year
There is a spot for him on the Royals not pennant contender.
If he is back that is all I need to know
hauldog - August 31, 2010
Weird...the first part of this comment posted twice and the meat was left off both times...odd
I think I said something about a late inning defensive replacement for our OLD OF’s and/or pinch runner. In last night’s game there were two opportunities for Soth to pinch run for Matsui…and he didn’t do it either time. Once in the 7th and as it turned out once in the top of 9th…
K3YEROUT - September 1, 2010
really?
considering our defensive liabilities in OFers like Rivera and Abreu? Bourjos can only play one of these positions.
Willits has been productive whenever he has gotten consistent playing time with this team. He can take a walk and is decent on the basepaths. I’d argue, he’s the best leadoff hitter on this team right now. And considering the prevalent laziness of certain players on this team (HK, Rivera), Willits is a welcome breath of fresh air.
Get past slugging percentage hauldog: that isn’t a proper tool to evaluate Willits. Go on hating if you want, but your criticism is unjust. Even without a great OF arm, he’s fantatsic defensively.
hk47 - August 31, 2010
This entire post has comments arguing over Willits
geeze this is the most publicity he has ever gotten. He is not a very good baseball player. He gives you nothing but some OBP.
angelskid2210 - August 31, 2010
Bourjos named PCL rookie of the year
Link
hauldog - August 31, 2010
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