Multiple media reports have made it easy for us to report to you that Angels starting pitcher Joel Pineiro has a left oblique strain that will sideline him for 6 - 8 weeks and with 10 weeks left in this lost season, it is unlikely he will pitch again until 2011.
As the Titanic sank, the injured were allowed to board lifeboats. Just saying.
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Turk’s Teeth had better hope he does. Pineiro’s got a 102 OPS+ and we set 100 as the bar in our bet.
Sam Miller OCR - July 28, 2010
Er, ERA+
Sam Miller OCR - July 28, 2010
That's the first thing I thought.
Of course, you’d be winning our bet on a narrow technicality. :)
My case against Pineiro was that, over the course of a season, he would be a league average pitcher (or worse), he’d be injury-prone, and his reliance on one pitch would lead to higher walk and homerun rates this season.
All those things are true, or were trending in the direction of being true. I expected an ERA around 4.50, which would probably be an ERA+ of 95-98 in a typical season, and he was a game or two away from that mark.
But I’ll hold up my end of the bet. Though it’s a little like the Dutch winning the World Cup through strategic use of yellow cards. Sam, I’ll buy you a hoodie just to hide the shame amid your success. :)
Turks Teeth - July 28, 2010
Actually, I just checked the email and we set a 25-start minimum. So unless he comes back in time to get five more starts, we’ll tie on a technicality.
The funny thing is that Pineiro is just what you feared he’d be, and just what I hoped he’d be, and yet we still disagree on the signing. Fangraphs has him worth $9 million, incidentally, so that basically has his signing at a push, too.
Sam Miller OCR - July 28, 2010
I thought there was a qualified starts life-raft.
Ain’t that just like the rest of the “meh” of this season.
Of course, just to nudge the goat, the Fangraphs valuations do fluctuate — if he had continued his trajectory (6.23 ERA post-ASB) his aggregate value would likely have decreased.
Blind luck he went down for the season to make him even money and Swiss of us all.
Turks Teeth - July 28, 2010
I would wager you would have lost the bet if he had finished the season
His trajectory post ASB isn’t so much a trajectory as one lousy start against the Yankees.
He’s had one of these type (in general) of starts per month. But overall, he’s been quite good value has Joel.
TheQuestforMerlin - July 28, 2010
I very much doubt it.
Over the course of the season, pitchers often break down (which is what we see here in catastrophic fashion). He’s been leaving balls up in the zone more regularly, and his bad start against the Yankees wasn’t bad luck — it was bad control. My point in the OCR article was that pitchers that rely on one complicated pitch are very vulnerable, especially to small injuries over the wear and tears of the season. Had this not been such a disruptive injury, he might have hid a lot of smaller ones, and just declined slowly.
It’s been a good year for pitchers. The league average ERA is 4.21 (Pineiro’s at 4.18). Pineiro’s the definition of an average pitcher. But he’s also an average pitcher who just pitched the fewer number of starts in his career as a starter since age 22.
I’m not sure that meets the definition of “quite good” value.
Turks Teeth - July 28, 2010
I don't think anyone said that Pineiro's start against the Yankees was bad luck, it was a poor performance by him.
But I think it’s odd to say that his 1 start against the Yankees is indicative of how he is likely to pitch the rest of the season.
~MMP~ - July 28, 2010
I disagree, you're doing Pineiro a disservice
The left oblique strain has little to do with his throwing mechanics and arm etc, its an abdomen strain due to over-rotation etc. It’s also a training injury in this case that sometimes befalls players, not catastrophic (for our 2010 season, perhaps) and not indicative of wear and tear. It’s just unfortunate.
Pineiro isn’t a one pitch pitcher. His strongest pitch is the sinker of course, but the pitch has not caused any wear and tear unless i’m mistaken. It’s been a consistent pitch all year.
He also hasn’t been leaving balls up in the zone more frequently, as far as i’m aware, his PitchFX of the last few games does not show anything he has not done before? I’m not attributing his Yankee start to ‘bad luck’ but surely you can see the speculatory foolishness of extrapolating from this start a trend of upcoming poor Pineiro performance. His performances this year have by and large been very good, and he has lived up to reasonable expectations.
Also as you know, the term league average is misleading. Replacement level is the definition of average in baseball (and not valuable, i.e. SoS or Trevor Bell), a league average (ERA of 4.21) performer is quite valuable as it is difficult to be league average over a long period of time. Not to mention 2010 has seen his best K/9 rate since 2004, and a stronger xFIP and FIP rate than his ERA.
TheQuestforMerlin - July 28, 2010
Well said
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
Boom
This team is screaming to be blown up. Send out Matsui (if you can), trade Abreu, Mr slowball Fuentes and restock the AAA club for next year. Sheesh they are worse than the Royals and Pirates these days.
anaheimisnotla - July 28, 2010
Injured to the lifeboats, perhaps, but WE ARE HALOS HEAVEN!
Grab your instruments, ladies and gents. It’s time to strike up the band.
Stirrups - July 28, 2010
Dibs on Kowbell!
cath619 - July 28, 2010
Women and children to the lifeboats first...
…so you don’t get to “dance” with K-Mo while the band’s playing (women…scheesch!).
And make sure ladybug, agent 99, opiejeannne and…uh…rextookmystash and halowood have seats too.
sothball - July 28, 2010
I prefer to hold Leonardo DiCaprio’s head underwater
Quad Fin Rider - July 28, 2010
As long as we aren't required to play "Buttercup".
sothball - July 28, 2010
Ragtime, buddy. Maybe a waltz or two.
But anybody caught playing pop is going overboard.
Stirrups - July 28, 2010
In that case...
…I want to start with the theme from the movie “The Sting”, and then just about anything from Scott Joplin.
sothball - July 28, 2010
And some stirring marches, of course
And when the water is coming up around the necks, “Nearer My God to Thee.”
rspencer - July 28, 2010
oh oh oh let me get my rally kazoo
clover_black - July 28, 2010
It ain't a rally, my friend. Our job is to go down with the ship.
But we are gonna make as much GDMF noise as possible, all the way to the bottom.
Stirrups - July 28, 2010
ALWAYS!!!!!
An Angel fan for life here, since the days of the PCL LA Angels. NEVER will leave my team. I Hate this shit, but still love them!!
Hapyorange - July 28, 2010
Band?
Damn, I just came back from band camp
TheKingfish - July 28, 2010
Sending out an SOS
oh, wait, nevermind.
Funke5ive - July 28, 2010
See you next year, Pinata.
Maybe Kaz will figure out how to pitch by then and we’ll have a good rotation in 2011.
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
It'll be pretty good without Kazmir...
And that’s not factoring in when we sign Cliff Lee.
TheQuestforMerlin - July 28, 2010
Seriously blow this team up please...
If we aren’t sellers yet Reagins needs to get his head out of his ass. Not trading the dead weight is a missed opportunity.
Nashdiesel - July 28, 2010
Seriously. . .
cut the fat and give a cup of coffee for AAAll.
Funke5ive - July 29, 2010
Jo-el was a better suprise than many of us thought he would be.........
might as well shut him down…….because 2011 is gonna be a banner year!!!!
norcaliangelsfan - July 28, 2010
This blows the chunkiest of chunks...
No way SOS is traded if this was known in advance. Just plain dammit! Break ’er a part, get some goodies for next year. Just plain dammit!
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
This is true
Right now we’ve got a 3 man rotation. We sure could use SOS, maybe even Will Smith. All so we can play Callaspo and keep Frandsen on the bench. Never saw the point of that. Oh well. Trevor Bell gets a full shot at the rotation now, and we’ll probably see the return of Matt Palmer sometime soon.
Play Bourjos because we’re all sick and tired of Rivera. Get Wood another 150 at bats since the season is lost anyway. Might as well give him one more shot for the hell of it before we release him.
RallyMonkey5 - July 28, 2010
I think I agree with each of your points.
Baby Bozo will definitely claim one of the slots in the rotation, and Rosey may pick up a start or two before Kerosene Kazmir comes back. I wish Trevor Reckling was having a decent year; if he’d kept the pace he had from previous years, this would be a no-brainer.
I can’t wait to see Bourjos, and I see no reason to not deal one of the outfielders to free up a spot and add some more talent to the upper levels of the farm system. Of course Hunter stays, and Abreu will likely stay due to his contract, but the affordable Rivera or the expiring contract of Matsui could entice someone to make a swap.
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
I’ll say
maybe trade Rivera, but keep Matsui until his contract expires. He brings the Japanese media in which means more money to sign Crawford. We need all the extra money to sign Crawford and his contract will expire this year.
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
That's a decent point
But I’d wager that the big money from sponsors has already been paid, so 2 months of no Godzilla won’t be a killer to the potential signing of Crawford especially if another team picks up the remainder of his 2010 contract.
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
I don’t know
since I don’t know how much Matsui is making for this Anaheim club or the contract for the sponsors. Matsui alone isn’t the only guy pulling this club down, and unlike some other guys sitting on the bench, he’s paying for himself.
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
He's definitely paid for himself, no doubt about that.
From past experiences in marketing/advertising, these contracts are paid up front for a specified period of time, which in this case is likely the course of the season. I would sincerely hope that the contracts aren’t contingent on Matsui sticking around for the entire season, but unless we’re behind the scenes…we’ll never know for sure.
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
TV ratings are up 12 per cent
It’s hard to see what would do that besides Matsui’s presence. It certainly hasn’t been the team’s inspiring performance.
rspencer - July 28, 2010
Oh, wait
That sounds argumentative, but I didn’t intend it to be.
rspencer - July 28, 2010
Stop arguing with me, jerk!
Just kidding. Valid point about the TV ratings, however ratings will only remain high if the team is in contention in the last two months…doesn’t look good, obviously. Personally, I have no qualms with Matsui; it’s the contrast with Vladdy that makes us all eye-twitchy with rage. I don’t think Matsui will be traded and depending how the offseason plays out, he very well could be back on a similar contract next year. I wouldn’t bet money on that happening, but who knows for sure at this point?
Slasher52 - July 29, 2010
Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Bell, Palmer, Bourjos, and Wood.
Oh, and yes, getting Callaspo was pointless, even BEFORE Pineiro got hurt.
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
!@#@!#@#%W%$&W$%&%^E%R$Q@$!@#
Clutch - July 28, 2010
+1000
Hapyorange - July 28, 2010
-999
IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon - July 28, 2010
one at a time please
IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon - July 28, 2010
Release the nukes?
Whatever you say, Mr. President!
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
Oooh, it's gone green!
Now for the plaid!
Clutch - July 28, 2010
Save it for when you take the Bar exam next year
Trust me…..it blows worse than Pineiro against the yankees
HaloFanInDC - July 29, 2010
That
reinforces my decision to not check out law school… (There were other rea$on$, but still.)
cath619 - July 29, 2010
Just do this
1) Check minority status on applications
2) Apply
3) ????
4) Profit
linkbruin - July 30, 2010
The nice thing about being out of contention
Is that this really doesn’t matter. Hope he gets some rest, he’ll be needed for a playoff run in 2011.
Suboptimal - July 28, 2010
And cheaper game tickets
ReggieBullits - July 28, 2010
No problem
Let’s just bring up Sean O’Sullivan and……….oh……….nevermind.
Robviously - July 28, 2010
that trade just keeps looking dumber and dumber doesn't it?
hobbit_86 - July 28, 2010
SOS wasn't gonna save our season.
We need a third baseman.
Nashdiesel - July 28, 2010
To bad we don't have one
ryanfea - July 28, 2010
We've got 4
that add up to 1/2.
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
We only have two
In all fairness, Izturis is a DH and Wood is not a baseball player.
Quad Fin Rider - July 28, 2010
Izzy is not a DH.
He is a midfielder replacement, in for defence more than his bat, and can spell at 3 positions.
matthiasstephan - July 29, 2010
We need the Super Friends.
Or the Avengers, for you Marvel fans out there.
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
Does the Super Friends include Wendy and Marvin?
red floyd - July 28, 2010
But of course.
Slasher52 - July 28, 2010
especially the slap hitting kind
Quad Fin Rider - July 28, 2010
albert's wife just winced
clover_black - July 28, 2010
We still need a third baseman
hobbit_86 - July 28, 2010
Can
Haren play 3rd?
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
Blah
Looks like the curse of Anaheim Stadium is back, damn ancient indian burial ground.
jtkelly86 - July 28, 2010
its
TrAdition since 1961
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
Those indians really knew how to bury their ancestors in inconvenient places
RexTookMyStash - July 28, 2010
I’m sayin’ though
Funke5ive - July 28, 2010
Texas is about to lose
We’re going to back in this in no time
RexTookMyStash - July 28, 2010
I’ll believe it
when we go on a 20 game winning streak in last Aug. to Sept. to clinch a postseason spot
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
late
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
Go Oakland
now there is a team poised to take advantage of the completely absent Rangers offense – cannot do a July roid cycle like the pudge-90s, Arlington… ha ha !
Rev Halofan - July 28, 2010
I would
lmao if the As suddenly became the AL West champs.
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
I would never stop LMAO if the A’s win the division! All those Texan heads exploding. Heh.
NJinHB - July 28, 2010 via mobile
A's win! As' Win!
3rd Echelon - July 28, 2010
Actually
the As might have a chance to overtake Texas. Even against us, we saw little offense from Texas while the As are a red hot team. If the As go on a streak like they did last Sept. while Texas cools down, the As might be the 2010 AL West champs.
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
What's wrong with you people?
I effing hate Oakland. It’s never appropriate to root for them. I keep hoping there’s a way Texas and Oakland can both lose.
RallyMonkey5 - July 28, 2010
Seattle rising from the ashes to make a stunning comeback?
~MMP~ - July 28, 2010
I hate Oakland as well
We’ve lost sight of that while they’ve been sucking the last few years. I, for one, would much rather Texas get in the playoffs than Oakland, LSB’s douchebaggery notwithstanding.
Gorbachav5 - July 29, 2010
This is true.
If one cannot root for the Halos, the only thing left is to root for ESPN, so that Sports American shall ignore the West altogether.
Stirrups - July 29, 2010
Oak and Texas still have a couple of series against each other after this one too.
Why not root for Oakland………….Rangers going all in for this season because there is a huge unknown for them financially after this year.
Let the young gunz from Oakland overtake them and then get swept in the 1st round.
norcaliangelsfan - July 28, 2010
Can't root for the A's.
Just can’t. Don’t like the Rangers much, but they’re definitely higher on the totem pole for me than the Oakland/KC/Philadelphia Athletics of San Jose of Northern California.
Slasher52 - July 29, 2010
The A's are the least threatening team in baseball, based on superficialities.
Their names all sound like they’re up’n’coming lawyers at Ivy League schools. They’re all built like they’re up’n’coming lawyers at Ivy League schools. And yet they somehow know how to play baseball. They are finding loopholes. That’s what lawyers do.
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
If that doesn't scare you, you don't know enough lawyers.
LongLiveLangerhans - July 28, 2010
we went from buyers to sellers in about two days...
if we can get either bullpen help or a legitimate 3rd baseman that will put us in a good spot going into the off-season. if we can’t make deals prior to july 31, put virtually the entire team on waivers, see who claims any of our guys then make a deal to oick up help in the pen or 3b.
thejd - July 28, 2010
Agreed, we really need to "oick" up the pen.
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
The Rangers TV announcers are continually boasting that...
there’s around 38K at the Rangers/As game tonight. “On a Wednesday night!”
BAAAAA!
3rd Echelon - July 28, 2010
we had
like 43 K didn’t we, in a week day day game.
phoenix15 - July 28, 2010
Yeah, we had a sellout.
Clutch - July 28, 2010
We had 44K+ today.
I know, I was at the game :-)
3rd Echelon - July 28, 2010
Prolly 33k of which were Sox fans
Rally Manatee - July 28, 2010
no..it was little league day
firebird81 - July 28, 2010
Similar amount of maturity
Gorbachav5 - July 29, 2010
That is pretty miraculous.
They smell the blood. I hope there are a lot of witnesses to the Ranger’s collapse. Gonna be fun.
Downing Rules - July 28, 2010
They never shut up about that on twitter! Kept babbling about having back to back sellout games? BFD!
NJinHB - July 28, 2010 via mobile
Don't worry, when football season rolls around in Dallas
people we be saying… “Rangers? Who’s the Rangers?”
3rd Echelon - July 28, 2010
My how quickly we have fallen
does anyone here believe that the Halos front office knows what it is doing since the end of last season?
Dono Romantico - July 28, 2010
They decided to to rebuild this year
They thought they had enough pieces to make a decent run, but this year’s main focus was on building for next year.
firebird81 - July 28, 2010
and exactly with what are we going to rebuild with
I am open for ideas
Dono Romantico - July 28, 2010
pressboard at this point
firebird81 - July 28, 2010
Why Do you think we had little league day at the stadium today?
Duh… recruiting!
IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon - July 28, 2010
The Rodney signing was terrible
And the Callaspo trade was confusing. Other than that I don’t think the FO has made any bad moves.
Gorbachav5 - July 29, 2010
OH sure, you're all saying we give up now....
But they’re going to give you hope. They’re going to start winning..even cut into the Rangers’ lead. You’re all going to begin to look up again…hope will shine once again in your eyes…only to be dashed on the rocks of the season that is 2010. I, on the other hand, have decided to drink myself to happy oblivion, watching every game with all of you fine folks here at Halosheaven and basically not giving a rat’s ass until this abortion of a season has ended. I refuse to be fooled by these fools this year. Enjoy your season, Texas…..it’s all you get, because next year the Kings reclaim their crown and you sink back into the hole from which you came.
firebird81 - July 28, 2010
Sounds like every season prior to 2002.
red floyd - July 29, 2010
When it rains it pours
I feel that the Angels of 2010 is like the Titanic. We thought we were unstoppable and great compared to everything. Built to last and make it to the post season.
But then we hit an iceberg (K-Mo injury) and we started to take in water but we believed we could make it, we where ready for this. But then the water kept rushing in and in. Next thing we know the ship snaps in half.
A season lost to the seas of baseball.
Goodbye 2010
HOPE FOR A BETTER SEASON IN 2011
DAD OF VLAD - July 28, 2010
Haren=Dicaprio
aldo H - July 28, 2010
great anology that doesn't apply to anybody who realized that the post season moves where horrible and expected an off year.
All i cared about was seeing b-wood get some ABs, and well, look how that turned out. This season was a pretty big epic fail.
At least seattle still sucks ass.
clover_black - July 28, 2010
LAAngelsinsider
K3YEROUT - July 28, 2010
I'm more concerned about Kaz's slider than his emotional state
RexTookMyStash - July 28, 2010
Yeah, me too...
I mostly posted this because of the Haren update. Pheww… Added the Kaz part on a whim
K3YEROUT - July 28, 2010
Little Day at the Stadium?
heard there were scouts for recruiting for 2011
IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon - July 28, 2010
that's not good for the playoff hopes this year
but that rotation is looking nice for 2011. wish you guys could have taken care of the sox but hey they’re a good team
Frank Campagnola - July 28, 2010
TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eat Him!
IWishWeStillHadTimSalmon - July 28, 2010
i complimented your team.
please explain to me how im trolling
Frank Campagnola - July 29, 2010
No idea, actually.
But yeah, we’re pretty well set for next year. Except for our 6~ middle infielders. ._.
TheKingfish - July 29, 2010
that rotation looks nice.
really nice. weaver, haren, santana, pineiro, kazmir. especially if kazmir can figure it out, its especially scary. could very well be the best rotation in baseball.
unless the yanks do sign cliff lee. a rotation of Lee, Sabathia, Burnett, Hughes, Vazquez/Pettitte depending on who comes back is really strong too.
Frank Campagnola - July 29, 2010
Was at the game.
All seemed well up until they announced, out of the blue, that Shields was the new scouting pitcher. From there, everything went downhill. Things kinda picked up when the Halos managed to take a meager, desperate 1-run lead, but it all came crashing down, first with the Youkilis solo smash and then Scutaro’s soul-destroying grand slam. I had never seen a grand slam in person prior to this game – suffice to say I wouldn’t have minded the status quo remaining unchanged in that category.
But the WORST part of it, people, was that at the end of the game, there I was, one of perhaps 3 or 4 Angel fans in a section completely filled with Red Sox fans. When the last Angel was retired, I sat alone among an entire section of people standing on their feet, applauding their conquering heroes. IN FREAKING ANAHEIM.
Tell me, folks, how this season could get any worse.
moosemastr - July 29, 2010
Don't be too down about it
Bandwagoners lead such a miserable existence that if they actually stopped to think about their life it would probably make them cry. The only joy they can painfully extract out of life is pretending to know the name of a few players on a popular team. They once heard that being a sports fan was cool so they decided to try it out.
I knew a guy in college who’s favorite teams were (and I’m not making this up): the Detroit Red Wings, Yankees, Patriots, Lakers, and USC for College football and Duke for basketball. I don’t even think he had lived in ANY of those cities.
haloduck - July 29, 2010
This guy must have lived a happy life:
Although the Patriots were pretty crummy for a long time in the 1990’s. Maybe that’s when this college acquaintance was born? Dunno.
Downing Rules - July 29, 2010
How could that be worse?
Having it happen during a playoff game.
In 2007 and 2008 I was sitting in the middle of RedSux Central (510-ish).
red floyd - July 29, 2010
i hate life
and i hate “waiting for next season”.
fuuuuuuuuck this
UpStream15 - July 29, 2010
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