Not a whole lot of Angels news during the All-Star break, but here's what I've found:
Roy Halladay News:
Angels hot to trot for Halladay - Toronto Sun
The second installment of summer book odds on the running of the first Roy Halladay sweepstakes leading to the July 31 trade deadline: ANGELS 5-2 Infielder Brandon Wood, a pitching prospect like Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden. Will Halladay go to the coast? Former GM Bill Stoneman was not known for deadline deals but GM Tony Reagins, added Mark Teixeira at the deadline last year.
Blue Jays have interest in Halos' Wood - MLB Daily Dish
The Angels remain interested in Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay, the Boston Globe is reporting. However, Blue Jays officials have told the Globe that it would take a package including Brandon Wood, among other top rated prospects.
Blue Jays' Roy Halladay uncertain about his future - Detroit Tigers Baseball
According to a source familiar with the Blue Jays' needs, they want a young shortstop and a back-of-the-rotation starter in a package for Halladay.
Doc's odds: 50/50 he's dealt - Toronto Sun
"It's a tough situation, but you always want to win," Halladay said. "You want a chance to win, that's every player's dream. For me, I'm looking at it, they're exploring options. Something may come of it, something may not.
Another mediocre reliever available:
Indians Release Matt Herges - MLBTradeRumors.com
The Indians released reliever Matt Herges, according to a team press release. They designated him for assignment ten days ago to make room for Winston Abreu. Herges allowed fewer hits than innings pitched in his 25.1 innings, for an ERA of 3.55. Now we'll see if a team looking for relievers, like the Angels or Marlins, picks him up.
What would it hurt for the Angels to take a look?
Lucky Teams - FanGraphs Baseball
At the break and with the official news finally coming in that Manny Acta has been let go in Washington, I decided to take a look at which at which teams have been lucky or unlucky the most so far this season. Of course, the definition of lucky is going to be pretty subjective to people. Here is how I have defined it, and have defined it in the past as well lest there be any concerns that I gerrymandered my criteria.
Here we go again with the "luck".
BBTF's Newsblog Discussion - The Columnists: Fox: Big Angels deal coming? Like maybe English class?
Holy shitdoggies!...I linked to ReNew America by mistake!
Our boy BuckyFox was linked out of BBTF newsstand. And the comments were pretty much the same as on HH.
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its a tough question
because the second we deal wood for halladay, we absolutely have to be shooting for a world series this year and next. That means we have to make strong efforts to get more offense in the offseason. We cant trade wood and then just throw halladay out there with aybar, an increasingly old vlad and mathis.
i would include wood under the assumption the team will replace the offense. I would obviously do everything in my power to try to sell them on replacing wood with a combo of rodriguez & trevor bell though.
ihearhowie2.0 - July 14, 2009
That logic doesn't make much sense, though.
It assumes that the Angels’ offense has been dependent on Wood, while Wood has only appeared in a handful of games, and was an offensive difference-maker in only one of them.
The Angels lead all of the MLB in batting average, and are #4 in runs scored. They are amazingly #5 in OBP. That was accomplished without Brandon Wood. On the other hand, the majority of Angel losses were a consequence of pitching meltdowns, first in the bullpen, and recently in the starting rotation.
The Angels do not need more offense. They need a solid arm in the back end of the BP, and a frontline starter.
And there’s no reason why Toronto would trade one of the best pitchers in baseball for a AAAA shortstop and a SP who has had one plus-plus half-season in AA and AAA. C’mon, let’s at least be realistic here. It’s going to take a combination of Wood, Bell, and two or three top notch prospects to get him. I would not be surprised if they wanted Napoli in the bargain. We’d be lucky to sell them on Conger instead.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
i was speaking more in terms of the future
like 2010 when we’re assuming Wood would be playing everyday
ihearhowie2.0 - July 14, 2009
The major offensive pieces that have contributed to our power...
…are all returning in 2010: Hunter, Rivera, Morales, Napoli. Vlad has not been a contributor to team SLG or OPS this season.
I think it’s more critical that the Angels extend their newfound plate discipline, and replace Abreu with a player with a similar approach. Wood is making some strides in that department, but is more a risk than not. A big reason the Angels are scoring so many runs is that they are walking more, and the top third of the lineup all have excellent OBPs.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
I've a big Brandon Wood supporter
Halladay is a difference maker type of pitcher. And if we could acquire a guy like Hallady without giving up a front line starter I think you have to make that deal. With Figgins really turning it up this year, I kind of hope he stays an Angel. With his play this year, he is making himself irreplaceable.
Power hitting Shortsstops are not a dime a dozen, but neither is a pitcher of Halladay’s caliber. When looking at next years offense, I’m not really looking Aybar and Mathis. Realistically I see Rivera in Left. Matthews in Right. Hunter in Center. And your infield looking like Morales, Kendrick, Izturis/Aybar, and Figgins. With either Nap or Vlad DHing and Mathis splitting time with Naps, alot like this year.
But having a rotation of Halladay, Weaver, Lackey, Saunders, and Santana would certainly make us a greater contender in the playoffs. And next season if Lackey becomes to expensive we still have a rotation of Halladay and Weaver to mix in with Saunders, Santana, and probably O’Sullivan.
Jay Cal - July 14, 2009
Agreed, we need Figgins next year.
AlanFalcon - July 14, 2009
No Way!!
I am so against a deal that includes Brandon Wood!! And I am sure I am not alone in this!!! I am such a big fan of his and have been waiting soo long, just like everyone else, to see him get an everyday job! I know Roy Halladay is an amazing pitcher but with the concerns of power arising at some point every year Wood could be part if the answer!!! I am for getting Halladay as long as it doesn’t include Brandon… But for some reason I don’t think that will happen so ultimately I am against trading for Halladay!! I can’t be alone on this can I??
Halo_Fan47 - July 14, 2009 via mobile
youre probably not alone
but pitching wins playoff games in the post-steroids era and the way the angels have jerked wood around gives me the feeling he’s still probably 500 ABs or even more away from being a legitimate every-day impact bat. Rest assured if they trade Wood it will because they really didn’t ever feel he was going to be “the guy”. If we dont trade him, we sure as hell better hand him an everyday job because halladay is probably the best pitcher in the american league this year.
im 100% in Wood’s corner but when it comes to pitchers or players like this, we have to put in perspective the debate over potential/possibility and actual performance. It’s like the NFL where everyone’s favorite player on a struggling team is the backup QB. Its easy to fall in love with the IDEA of Wood hitting 35 homers a year for us but as of now there’s no way of knowing if that will ever happen.
ihearhowie2.0 - July 14, 2009
And Angel fans have to be realistic about expectations for Wood.
People desperately want Brandon to be Cal Ripken Jr. But he could also turn out to be Khalil Greene, who flashed ridiculous power, then rapidly faded.
We have to be honest with ourselves and realize that it’s a total crapshoot. Kendrick was “can’t miss”; so was Dallas McPherson. But it’s not that simple.
Short of injury, Roy Halladay is as “can’t miss” a gamble as any in baseball. Sort of like getting Teixeira for a year and a half would have been.
I’d be happy making no trade and seeing what Wood can do. But I’d also completely understand if they traded him. He’s a really nice piece, but he’s not an essential piece of the Angels puzzle. He’s just one of a number of interesting options.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
Look, I don't know what Wood or Halladay would do in the postseason
(Note: ihearhowie—This isn’t directed at you; I started responding to your post and then just got carried away. Now, on we go.)
But I do know that we lost two of the most crucial games 4-1 and 3-2. Our pitching was dominant. We lost because we had no offense to answer theirs. Same scenario in 2007, when Lackey and Escobar and the others both pitched their hearts out and the offense failed to show up. As Lackey indicated in his statements after the game, there’s no excuse, NONE, for that performance.
Yes, pitching is the ultimate key for playoff success. But as we saw last year with our starting pitchers giving up 2 runs or fewer in a long performance and STILL losing the game—it’s more. You can have all the pitching in the world—hyperbolically speaking, you can have Cy Young, Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, AND Roy Halladay starting your playoff games—and you’ll lose every game if you don’t do something about offense.
Brandon Wood is, and has been for many years, the center of the Angels’ future offense, starting in 2010. Matt Welch, I believe, pointed out that Figgins matches the type of player who does fantastically until about 32 or 33 and then completely falls off the table. He’s approaching that age. I’m pulling for Vlad, but he’s probably not contributing to the Halos beyond this year, barring a scenario in which he gets completely healthy and finds his swing again—which is completely possible, don’t get me wrong. GMJ, as much as I’m pulling for him, too, probably isn’t going to be worth a single little league ball next year, let alone a bucket of big league ones. Abreu probably ain’t coming back. Yes the Halos will go after the big name bats, but how many times have we seen the Front Office go after the Teixieras and the Sorianos, only to see some other club offer them $20-30 million more and lose out?
The answer is from within the organization. The Halos didn’t sign Tim Salmon, Troy Glaus, Darin Erstad, Mike Napoli, inter alia, as big Free Agent starters. They drafted them and took a chance. They slotted them into the line-up, some by choice, others by emergency (read: Napoli 2006), and said sink or swim. None of them were phenomenal in their first few stints in the big leagues. In fact, here’s each’s OPS+ for the first season in which each made a sustained appearance in the majors:
Napoli (2006): 110, a bit of an exception
Erstad (1996): 81
Glaus (1998) 48
Salmon (1992): 55
Wood (2008): 43
Note that Wood’s OPS+ in 157 PA’s last year was just 5 points lower than Troy Glaus’ OPS+ in 182 PA’s in 1998.
The point being, there is no basis from which to judge that Wood will not contribute, that he’s done, washed up, etc., etc., etc. Maybe he won’t amount to anything after all, and giving him up now for Halladay would be an absolute steal, as would have giving up McPherson and Mathis for a big name player (cf Rev’s post from meeting Arte Moreno in 2004 or 2005) in 2004 or 2005. But I believe very strongly it’s too early to make that call, especially when Wood has been making such big strides this season, carried over from the end of last season.
Will Wood be an offensive force, the next A-Rod, the next Babe Ruth? No. Probably not. But he will, I think, provide a spark that this offense needs. He might or might not drive the Halos to WS victory. But he will contribute. It is too early to give up when there is so much yet for him to show.
Clutch - July 14, 2009
I appreciate what you're saying, but
trading Wood away wouldn’t be giving up on him. I think it’d be trading a surplus for a need. The club has done pretty well so far this season with Wood in SLC, at least in scoring runs.
Those two games you mention where the Angels starters pitched so well, but still lost. Could it be because the other team’s pitching was better? And not because the Angels hitters were worse?
WiHaloFan - July 15, 2009
It's hard not to give up fewer runs
Our pitchers gave our team a legitimate chance to win last year. If the offense had managed more than singles and the occasional extra base hit (Napoli = Mega-Panther in that regard), the playoffs would have been a much different story.
Also, we’d be giving up a surplus for a need, yes—but a CURRENT surplus, vastly depleting from next year when the current surplus leaves.
Clutch - July 15, 2009
I would prefer to move Howie or Aybar and additional prospects.
hauldog - July 14, 2009
I'm sure anybody would.
But that’s like suggesting we move Jered Weaver to KC for Alberto Callaspo and Luis Hernandez. Does that seem like equivalent value to you?
And Halliday > Weaver. By a non-trivial margin.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
I'm on the fence on getting Halladay
The darkside and brightside as I see it:
-The darkside, this could mean the Angels will not/can’t re-sign Lackey. The brightside they get 2 draft picks for him.
-The darkside, Halladay will be a free agent next year. The brightside, they will have him for 2 stretch runs and if happy he has been known to sign for less and who wouldn’t be happy as an Angel.
-The darkside, probably have to put Wood in the deal. The brightside, the Angels have Sean Rodriguez , a salve for the pain of losing Wood. Plus the Angels have a log jam up the middle.
I think we tend to overvalue pontential but I’m like Halo_Fan47 I’ve been waiting so long to see what Wood can do. Though It would be nice to go into a playoff series and know you have Roy Halladay for games 1, 4, and 7. I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision.
Wittness - July 14, 2009
Lackey is no lock for Type A
Given his inconsistencies over the last two years do you really want to throw a lot of money at him? I don’t.
hauldog - July 14, 2009
True
Yeah I’m not really sure how they determine Type A, etc. I just figured he would be.
Wittness - July 14, 2009
To me its all about Figgins and Lackey
I have to believe Soth has told management he wants Figgy to stay as he is the most important part of the lineup and what we try to do offensively.
I also believe we are going to lose Lackey to free agency as that decision has probably already been made.
Wood goes, Figgins stays at third, Halladay replaces Lackey, and we do everything possible in the negotiations to keep the young pitchers here cuz Halladay may not be for long.
I’m really on the fence until I find out more about the prospects they seek, knowing that we could lose Figgins to NY and not have either third basemen next year.
Wytelitning - July 14, 2009
No matter how good he is...
Halladay is 32 years old. If we have to gut the farm system, do it for a 27 or 28 year old star that is not a free agent in 12 months.
mustard_man - July 14, 2009
Age
is the key thing. Now, Halladay just may be the kind of pitcher who’s going to be a front line, #1 or #2 starter for another five or six years, but Dan Haren (the only potentially available younger ace pitcher I can think of who might be available) is more likely to still be in peak form five years from now. Halladay, though, is the best right-handed pitcher in the game.
It would surely cost Brandon Wood. As much as I would like to see him remain a Halo and have his career here, I’m starting to doubt whether the team brass will ever give him the chance. And of course, he is still unproven. Dealing Wood also makes it imperative that the team re-sign Figgins.
jjackflash - July 14, 2009
I was going to write a story about this subject,
but I’m going to pull a G.A. (too lazy) so I’ll put it here.
Baseball Prospectus came up with a theory / formula on what it takes to win in the play-offs, they call it “http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5541”. They claim there are three traits that improve a team’s chances of winning:
* A power pitching staff, as measured by normalized strikeout rate.
* A good closer, as measured by WXRL.
* A good defense, as measured by FRAA.
The Angels 2 of the 3 ingredients. They have a good closer (but lack a dominating set-up guy). And their defense is very good.
If the Angels are serious about winning this year, they have to consider trading Wood in a Halladay deal. Slotting Halladay into the Angels’ play-off rotation ahead of Lackey and Weaver would go a lot further in increasing their chance to win than the addition of Wood’s bat in the line up. Halladay in game 1 matches up favorable for the Angels against any team, Lackey going in game 2 is another favorable match up for the Halos, and finally Weaver in Game 3…which team has a #3 starter better than Weaver? Without Halladay, Lackey and Weaver move up a day and Saunders becomes the #3 guy. I think the chances of Weaver putting the Angels up 3 games to none in the play-offs are better than Saunders’ chances. I know I’ve left out Santana, but I’m not counting on him to provide much in 2009 (I wonder why the Angels haven’t considered using Santana out of the pen to save the wear-and-tear on his elbow?)
Additionally, putting Wood on the field at either 3B or SS would decrease the run prevention the current defense provides.
It all comes down to potential. Halladay provides the potential to go further into the play-offs. Wood provides the potential of having a very good 3B/SS in their line-up. In my opinion, I’ll the take the potential play-off wins.
WiHaloFan - July 14, 2009
Screwed that link up
Here it is:
Secret Sauce
WiHaloFan - July 14, 2009
Damn, I really wish we had an edit button!
That should read “improve a team’s chances of winning IN THE PLAY-OFFS:”
Geez.
WiHaloFan - July 14, 2009
+ 1 for and edit/delete button...
BryanHarvey'sMoustache - July 14, 2009
-1 for suggesting delete button
That would orphan child comments, rendering threads unintelligible. Or, it would erase child commentary, losing good content.
In fact, even an edit button would have to be limited to overstrike and additions. Otherwise the author could alter the orignal meaning 180 degrees and render the responses out of context.
Stirrups - July 14, 2009
yeah no shit...
i still would like to edit my comments for clarity.
BryanHarvey'sMoustache - July 14, 2009
Me three. I am not a touch typist, and my posts show it. I used to hate my typos.
I have learned to relax and just embrace them.
Stirrups - July 14, 2009
EDIT BUTTON
that is why you make this a STORY instead of a comment!!!
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
Shut up.
WiHaloFan - July 14, 2009
if that is how you treat you fans
imagine what you would do if you were, uh… whickered…
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
Fans? I have no fans.
I’m just a lemming following that “website guy”.
Oh, by the way…I heard angelswin.com is terrific!
WiHaloFan - July 15, 2009
I really believe in Wood
But if Wood is the centerpiece of a deal, let’s do it. I don’t have to tell you how good Halladay is.
And this organization has proven it doesn’t believe in Wood, only playing him as a last resort. He’ll never get his shot here anyway.
gilbert - July 14, 2009
Walden
left last night’s game with a strained arm. He spent time on the DL earlier this season. Obviously, any serious injury makes him less attractive as trade bait
jjackflash - July 14, 2009
which could be good for us
if we could somehow get halladay while keeping wood and walden, we win right?
rodriguez, trevor bell, reckling and some scrub for halladay?
they cant say no to 2 of our 3 best pitching prospects can they?
Im aware how awesome reckling is this year, but his BB/K rates make me wonder if his value will ever by higher than it is this season
ihearhowie2.0 - July 14, 2009
After Reckling's performace in the FUTURES Game
They can and will say NO…
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
The Jays wouldn't say no to any offer that contains "some scrub"
They would say “F#CK NO!”
WiHaloFan - July 14, 2009
Reckling really isn't that "awesome" this year.
His peripherals are kind of mediocre, actually. His WHIP is too high, his walk rate is scary, and his K9 is declining.
It may be a learning curve, and I think he can get better, but it’s no sure thing.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
I don't see Walden as a starter.
He’s gotten progressively worse as the Arkansas season has gone on, and he’s catching the injury bug.
Walden needs to be converted to a set-up guy or closer. Something where he can throw the heat in short bursts, and then rest. Meanwhile, Reckling has control issues that might deter Ricciardi.
If I’m Ricciardi, pitching isn’t my first issue. Toronto is rich with young pitching. But if I’m looking at Angel pitching, I’m probably not going much further than Bell or O’Sullivan at the upper levels. I might be digging deeper, for an Alex Torres, a Michael Kohn, even a Fabio Martinez Mesa. Longer term projects with interesting upside.
Otherwise, I know (if I’m Ricciardi) that my obvious holes in the near-term are at shortstop, catcher and third base. I’m going to demand Wood and Napoli for starters, and will likely take a flier on Sean Rodriguez for good measure.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
S-Rod or Wood?
Ninja needs to work some black magic and give them Sean Rodriguez instead of Wood.
I love em both but I think giving up Wood might be a mistake. However, I also want to see Wood play. And if we are going to keep blocking him from making it to the BIGS then why not just trade him and let him become the pro that everyone and their mother knows he is going to become…
BryanHarvey'sMoustache - July 14, 2009
If you love Wood, set him free.
I too have been waiting for Wood to get his shot. But I’m with Jay Cal. If we can get Halladay without losing a starter, we’ve got to do it. Plus, Wood deserves his shot NOW. If he can get in the lineup somewhere else, God bless him. I’m sure we’ll miss him down the road, but we’ve got to give to get.
If we do let Wood go, we’ve got to resign Figgins. I’d even go so far as to bowl him over with an offer during the season, so he doesn’t even wait for free-agency. However, that could just backfire and set the bar for his bidding.
Rally Manatee - July 14, 2009
is there any way
we can get them to take Howie and Mathis in this deal.
Fred Fredrix - July 14, 2009
Trading Wood is fine for this year...
but what about next? There is no guarantee that Figgy will be back, so who will play 3rd if Brandon is gone? Plus that two-headed, slap hitting monster of Aybar-Izzy has yet to prove that they can play at a consistent level.
Every damn year we sit here and say, “if we only had more power in the lineup”, well now we have a chance to get it and what are we going to do? Trade him away of course!
I’m totally against trading Wood. We need him for the future.
KingF15h - July 14, 2009
Honestly, it would shock me if any deal for Halladay didn't include Wood.
As to whether we should do such a deal…I leave it to the Ninja. Lord knows an arm like Halladay’s, not to mention first dibs on getting a deal done after 2010, is worth a lot. If this happens, it means a couple of things.
1. We’re probably not resigning Vlad or Lackey. Instead, we concentrate on getting Figgins and maybe Abreu.
2. If we don’t sign Figgins, Izturis or S-Rod move to 3rd.
3. 2010 rotation of Halladay, Weaver, Saunders, Santana, O’Sullivan likely.
TheOptimist - July 14, 2009
I am against Wood for Halladay, and here's why.
1) Bobby Abreu, Vladimir Guerrero, and Chone Figgins are all free agents after this season. It’s not a given that any of these guys will be back. If they all leave (god forbid), our offense will be severely limited and it would probably be the declaration of a full-blown rebuild mode. We could definitely use a guy like Brandon Wood in that scenario.
2) Lackey could be gone after this season. Halladay would still be under our control for next season as well but you have to believe that after 2010 he’ll become a Yankee, Red Sox, Met, or possibly even a Dodger. I’m sure the Angels would be players but the chances of us being able to hold on to him are slim in my opinion. So I feel that trading for Halladay is just kind of delaying the inevitable as he will basically “postpone” Lackey’s departure for one more year because he would be the new ace/workhorse for 2010.
It’s possible that in 2011 we are looking at a team without Halladay, Lackey, Vlad, Figgins, Abreu, and Wood. It would be the start of a long and painful rebuilding process. Halladay would be great for our post-season push this year but next year our team could conceivably be weaker next year even with Halladay and then the rebuild 2011 scenario I talked about kicks in and we sit and watch the f***ing Rangers dominate the division for the next decade.
Of course, I am speaking in all “worst-case scenario” terms but I think all scenarios would basically be the same in terms of having a negative effect on our team but maybe the decline wouldn’t be as harsh or rapid.
Either way, I think it would be a mistake trading Wood for Halladay. Wood deserves a fair shot and I believe he can be a major asset to the club, beyond 2010.
Chzburger Jones - July 14, 2009
#1: "If they all leave (God forbid)" should read "If they all leave (most likely)"
Hate to say it, but the 66% off coupon expired in 2009 for Abreu. Vladdy is not worth more than $7mil and he’ll want $12M+. Figgy is going to get PAID now that he has “All-Star” in front of his name. I also think someone else is going to throw Figgy a 4-year deal.
Downing Rules - July 14, 2009
As much as Halladay would be awesome...
I’m worried that this move would take us from being in the playoffs every year, to a rebuilding project in 2010 or 2011. I’m wondering if management is starting to think that is inevitable as Texas has been showing signs that they are ready for a take over of the west. If that’s the case then I suppose go for it and see if we can’t win it all. But damn I would sure miss seeing my Angels being one of the best teams in baseball every year!
NW angels Fan - July 14, 2009
By 2011 Halladay will be a lot older in "pitcher years"
It would make sense for him to sign a long term deal with which ever team he is traded to. His no trade clause contract sort of lays the ground work for that scenario.
44FAN - July 14, 2009
But you're discounting the Angels not making any other moves.
Okay, Vlad, Figgins, Lackey, and Abreu leave. Do you think the Angels would just shrug their shoulders and not do nothing? Without putting too much thought into it, Bay and Holliday will be FA. One of those guys could ably replace Abreu and/or Vlad.
If all four of those players leave, expect the Angel front office to go into full-scale “re-arming mode”.
WiHaloFan - July 14, 2009
Exactly.
This is snapshot thinking. Markets are dynamic.
Vlad leaving is probably a good thing. Abreu would only be valuable to retain if you could get him for one or two years. Anything more than a three year contract extension for Figgy would be equally unwise.
The possibility of Lackey leaving only makes having Halliday next year more attractive, and the free agent pitching class of 2011 is better than that next season. Beckett, Halliday, Webb, possibly Cain.
Plus, there are interesting position players in 2011: Crawford, Victor Martinez, Joe Mauer.
Turks Teeth - July 14, 2009
If Halladay could convince Arte that he wants to play here, and wants to stay, then
buh-bye, Brandon!
Stirrups - July 14, 2009
Son of a *****
If we could land a guy like Halladay……a proven stud picture…..for Wood and some other pitcher I dont see how you CAN NOT make that move…..
Even though it would suck for me personally……(kinda like losing Kotch last year too) it sucked…..but that move HAD to be made.
norcaliangelsfan - July 14, 2009
No way to Halladay
He’s been subject to groin (2009) and forearm (2006) injuries. Pass, thanks.
scareduck - July 14, 2009
Thank You
although those are the least two chronic injuries a pitcher can have…
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
Ask Brad Penny about the non-chronic nature of forearm strains
That and ulnar nerve displacement injuries.
scareduck - July 14, 2009
ouch
and I was at that game where he threw the pitch, grabbed his arm and just walked off the mound.
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
Of course
I say that with the caveat that Penny already had a long history of injury; Halladay has been far more durable. But trading large chits, and a lot of them, for an ace (real or imagined) bothers me.
scareduck - July 14, 2009
Plus
The Jays won’t trade him with a guaranteed window to negotiate an extension, which would be a mandatory condition of such a franchise-gutting trade. Pass x2.
scareduck - July 14, 2009
Ouch. Deal breaker
hauldog - July 15, 2009
And, counting 2006 through 2009 (current), what - exactly - has Halladay done with those injuries?
Oh. Yeah. 62 wins. An ERA between 2.78 and 3.71, 583 hits and only 138 BB’s across 814 innings.
Meanwhile, Lackey (our ace) has given us 48 wins, an ERA between 3.01 and 4.93, 560 hits and 185 BB’s across 677 innings.
Halladay versus Lackey currently? 6.24 K’/BB for Halladay versus only 2.71 for Lackey.
Yeah. Those injuries are killing him. We don’t want any part of any of that.
Stirrups - July 14, 2009
Wood for HArne Yes
Wood for Roy H = No.
Sorry… 32 and new aches and pains just kinda scares me…
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
ALDS
Short Series:
Boston has to face:
Holliday
Lackey
Weaver
Holliday
Lackey
All with our normal lineup, you know the one that destroyed the Yankees and is leading in hitting (and is outscoring the Rangers in runs)
Even if its a win now, and we lose another “bat” prospect, I say do it.
I want to fucking beat the Red Sox.
PhiSlamma - July 14, 2009
Matt Holliday would be our ace?
I can’t see flipping Halladay to the A’s for Holliday and converting Matt into a pitcher in the span of two months, let alone a top of the rotation starter.
(someone just busted me on bad spelling in a different post so i am spreading the love)
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
Damn, Holliday cannot hit anymore, just thought maybe he could pitch and retain some value.
PhiSlamma - July 14, 2009
Who the F is HArne?
Chzburger Jones - July 14, 2009
Haren
Big Easy Halofan - July 14, 2009
o u c h
wow my typos are friggin killin me…
Rev Halofan - July 14, 2009
It's worth getting Halladay....
as long as we don’t trade an impact pitcher to get him. Trading Wood to get him makes sense. Trading Weaver to get him would be pointless.
Nashdiesel - July 14, 2009
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