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Is Bootleg Merch a Status Symbol?

IN these trying economic times, the $189 replica jersey may be a thing of the past. The $39 hat might also be a bit passé... and with so many questionably casual fans out there, one almost longs for the ugly Angels Disney Winged Logo, if only to show that one is a hardcore fan, that one is willing to look a bit "off" or "fan-ugly" to advertise one's deeper loyalty to the franchise over the status of appearing pleasant to the real housewives of the OC.

With our best seats beset by snotty Newport attitudes antithetical to hardcore franchise fans, why should fashion decorum demanding the donning the latest duds be adhered to? I ask you all to examine the cap pictured below. It is a ghastly mistake of a terrible copyright gray area knockoff of the Angels logo. Nobody in Coto-De-Cauza would be caught dead wearing it. It set me back $6 bucks - it is a fitted wool cap and Santee Alley in the Downtown L.A. garment district is brimming with many of these borderline-logo bootlegs.

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In a fan culture beset by smarmy upscale suburban values, I would argue that it is up to us to represent our loyalty to the team by wearing coded merchandise that is unlicensed, exists outside of the norms championed by conformist culture, offends the sensibilities of those who would happily disallow seating at the stadium for under $90 per seat and simultaneously makes sure no fan of another team thinks we are any less the hardcore base of this franchise's fans. Think about it.

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Bootleg Angels Merch
Cool
67 votes
Lame
259 votes

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I grew up poor in the I.E.

You know, knock off crap from swap meets, bring your favorite brand of bologna to thanksgiving dinner. So considering that I am an adult living on my own, I’d much rather order from the jack in the crack budget menu, and splurge on authentic merchandise.

Jack in the Box is fine dining. I’m still raging over the fact that the $1 double cheeseburgers from the Golden Arches are now $1.19.

Jumbo Jacks FTW

I am so down with the new JITB breakfast biscuit. That bad boy sets you back a cent under three bills. But, MMM-MMM is it tasty.

Ha, I just had one this morning. It was really dry though. I wasn’t too impressed.

Gotta smother it with Honey Mustard. Try again.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the culinary advice.

Culinary artiste à la Jacque le Beau!

Correction

Jacques à la boite!

mercy or something. ;)

Gotta love Jack in the box

Their monster tacos kick ass, whether your really drunk, or too lazy to cook.

Jack's Spicy Chicken

Oh, and Kill Phil! Jack Rules!

The spicy chicken rocks!!!

I never trusted Phil.

I cant wear bootleg crap

i hate even when the team passes out hats at the door wont wear it just to cheeezy .

Or wear NO team merch at all if you can't afford it

Doesn’t make you any less of a fan. That sounds even less conformist to me and it’s a better protest against the high price of official merch than buying shit made in Mexican sweat shops and sold by people in what is basically a criminal enterprise.

I always hated replica jerseys

that have the team colors but have the number 99 on them or double 00 ahhh that kills me

I guess if you're a Manny (or Gretzky) fan

then the 99 is OK

Buy 2nd Hand at Ebay...

I got a Reggie ‘86 Mitchell & Ness #44 for $39 on ebay a few years ago. Actual retail is $300. It was used, but looked brand spankin’ new. I get “cool jersey” comments every time I wear it.

I also bought a “retro” Eric Dickerson jersey on ebay that had his “autograph” on it (looks just like his authentic signature, but I seriously doubt it is real). I wore it to a SF 49ers – Rams game in 2003 and had a strange 49er fan following me offering me $300 for it. I had paid $40 on ebay. Should have taken it off my back, but then I would’ve been shirtless walking around a cold, frigid Candlestick park.

Yup. That's a great way to go.

I’ve found some good Angels gear, including a badass Jim Abbott/Angels tshirt for $4.00.

where else could you find a beauty like this...?

err….
(link – just in case you don’t believe somebody thinks they can get money for this hideous piece…)

weren't these actually worn

during that futuristic baseball series? most of the jerseys for other teams looked pretty bad, but i’m fairly certain that anaheim’s were the worst by far.

this is OFFICIAL merch

this was for the 1998 TURN AHEAD THE CLOCK games where each team mocked “old timers day” by playing in “futuristic” uniforms (the “Mercury Mets” had to be the most inane name of any of the teams, all of whom were forced into this silly gimmick of a promotion that FLOPPED big time).

Absolute ugliest jerseys across the board for all teams. And could not GIVE THEM AWAY in the team stores, where piles and piles of them ended up discounted from $99 to $15.

And are probably being worn in remote countrysides throughout the African continent even now.
not to be a punk - but this was from '99

the first instance (between the Mariners and Royals) was in ’98.
this then spawned a nearly league-wide Turn Ahead the Clock Night by MLB.

only 9 teams had the self-respect to say no to the idea (Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, Texas Rangers, Houston Astros, Toronto Blue Jays, Montreal Expos.)
reference:

more evidence of the "bad idea night"

Uni Watch

You know a little too much about this event. Were you possibly part of the MLB marketing team in 1999? :)

ok ok, so i'm only trying to unload my "investments"

;)

I thought that those jerseys were only for chicks...

seeing Lou Piniella in one, though, makes me consider making a purchase! Will you take $1 including shipping? ;)

if I actually had these on my hands...

I’d take just about anything to get them out of my sight.

donating them to a homeless shelter or something like that would just be downright cruel though...
perhaps, but Seattle's from 1998 were pretty darn nasty.

Pinella not man enought to go sans undershirt

somehow MLB saw this and thought… “hey, that’s a great idea…”
and this is just another example of why the league has become a laughing stock.

I have no idea if you're an attractive man...

but if you are… walking around SF with your shirt off could be an easy way to get a ride.

I don't see the difference between this an downloading "free" music from the internet.

If I want it, I will pay for it. If I can’t afford the authentic stuff, there are other options. For years, I wore a T-shirt I got as a give-away at one of the games.

This is from a guy that bought a “Panther” HH T-shirt last year, that I will proudly wear in Mesa in a couple of week.

Good point … where do we buy the bootleg HH shirts? ;)

I splurged and got the limited edition authentic RALLY RAT HH T-shirt. That is a keeper with the Angelic rat raising his hands heaven-ward as if to say “Praise Arte!”

There are bootleg HH shirts?

Cool! That’s the one item that would be cool instead of lame.

Really?

I see a huge difference in the case of merchandise like the Rev posted…stuff that doesn’t incorporate the actual logo or whatever.

Your analogy doesn’t stack up, because when you download “free” music from the internet, you’re taking someone’s original product. Buying bootleg merchandise of this sort is more like, say, downloading your buddy’s bar band’s cover of “Voodoo Child” rather than actually taking it from Hendrix.

Point taken...although to the casual eye, it is intended to look like the actual logo...
Well then

I guess I’ll just personally settle for bootleg merchandise that doesn’t mimic the logo. I think I might actually have something of that sort somewhere.

No Problem with the Bootleg gear

But where in the hell is the “HALO”

Angel Gear has to have the HALO

whoa. tie goes to 237.

great mind think alike!
most illuminated and luminous mind think similar manner.

all member of halohaven enjoy much halo.

Rev, I actually dig that cap...

but both A’s need doggone Halos on them. Back to the sweat shop with that thing.

Interesting point

My view has always been that I want what the players wear. Not really sure why, but part of it is probably feeling camaraderie when I watch Lackey in the dugout trying, in vain, to bend the brim of his 5950 crap cap.

Angeles City, Philippines

Ten years ago in Kathmandu, Nepal I purchased a long-sleeved bootlegged Washington Redskins shirt. It had a maroon Redskin emblem on a white background on the front. The long-sleeves were coloured green. Not the right colour scheme but it was a bargain at three dollars.

Fifteen years back in the Philippines there were shops in Angeles City (outside the closed Clark AFB) that sold baseball/football/basketball shirts, jerseys, and uniforms that were identical with MLB licensed merchandise here in the States selling for less than 25% of the licensed cost. If you need to outfit an entire little league (at least six teams) it might pay to fly to Manila, drive to Angeles City, and load up the back of your truck! The Angeles City Hash House Harriers are alive and well. I suspect the Angeles City garment district is too. Good luck getting your counterfeit merchandise through Customs at LAX!

Not sure when your last visit was, but the Divisoria (also in Manila) is the main cheap clothing area in the Phils nowadays. However, the MLB items were very limited and way off from the authentics. Not even close. I wouldn’t buy a green/gold Angels uniform.

Props for trying to save a buck...

but there is no way I would have ever pegged that thing for an Angel hat. I would guess independent league team from a city like Akron, or maybe some soccer club in Mexico if I ran into you in the street.

i sported a knockoff in 2002

i was pretty annoyed that the team changed logos again, and figured this change could have been as temporary as the last, so i bought a rip off for 8 bones outside of the pond. i’ve since decked myself out in the authentic stuff, but i’m not going to hate if someone can’t afford the real deal.

Not sure if I follow the message here, Rev.

On the one hand you wear your iconoclasm on your sleeve, and this is in keeeping with that faith. On the other hand you are deep in a world which has the principal of intellectual property rights as its very foundation.

Is the line of demarcation between these two that point where the knock-off is accidentally dirivative, unimaginative, un-compelling, and basically crap? And, therefore, since this is so fugly it disqualifies any/all IP issues and falls into the iconoclastic wheelhouse? Does the un-inspired enable non-conformity?

I could work with that. It would allow me to not worry that I need not purchase this because I choose to support the licensor of protected artistic rights. No, in this case, I could simply not worry that I need to purchase such a thing simply because this thing is fugly!

the problem is twofold

FIRST, the licensor is creating fuglier than imaginable merchandise

SECOND, the licensor is targeting upscale consumers over “true fans”

Most “bootleg merch” actually is in the “fair use” gray are of intellectual property rights (hence no halo on the design here). It would be hard for derivative merchandise to be any more unimaginative than the drivel that has landed in the team store over the past few seasons.

Well, there is that.

It’s shameful to me that of all the times I visited the team store last year, I purchased almost nothing. What few things I found to be compelling were not (to me) worth anything near the money being demanded. I am pretty well off, although nowhere near well enough off (nor stupid enough) to pay “upscale” money just because I can. And one would think that today’s economy has pretty much tanked the notion of upselling at all.

But further, to argue on behalf of your main point, isn’t creating and pricing and marketing items that allow a party to distinguish themselves from others within their same community the anti-thesis of why one creates visible items that advertise one’s membership in that community in the first place? Acknowledging that reality would certainly authorize your protest to their methods. After all, the upscale fan does not yell any louder, nor more often!

So, in simple terms; yeah, buy knock-off merch and wear it with pride. (Just work a little harder to find something not fugly).

Two Things

1. I wouldn’t buy bootleg merch that isn’t an exact duplicate of the real thing because then, IMHO, it’s just not an Angels hat. It’s just a red hat with an A. But I wouldn’t be showing support for my team; I’d instead be supporting an imaginary one [aside: years ago, in France, I got a good laugh out of stores selling, and people wearing, what appeared to be merchandise from some kind of professional team, but in reality was simply for make believe teams such as the New York Rockets or Washington Pirates].

2. I respect the value of the team’s logo, and its right not to have other people making money from it. I want that money to go to the team and benefit the team, not to someone else.

Supply and Demand

Buy what you like if it has value to you. I would personally NOT pay $189 for a jersey (unless, for some reason, I felt it was worth never having to decide what to wear to a game). I have not bought much merch because, to me, it’s mostly overpriced ugly crap. I just wear red.

That should drive the quality up, or the prices down, or both. Supply and demand.

But apparently the need to assimilate is stronger than the need to dress like a dandy, because if all they offered was a turd hat, fans would buy it.

Supply and Demand applies only if the merchant is studying the "demand" part and analyzing it correctly.

I would bet that every franchise believes that they have a captive market, a monopoly on their product, and the ability to expire the value of merchandise already sold at any time (by changing uni designs). So their notion of demand is pretty warped.

Monopolies breed croneyism

which leads to understaffed and undertalented design departments either afraid to take risks or failing miserably when they do.

So despite the demand, a narrow band of merchandise is made available and most of it is quite fugly and all of it is overpriced…

It sounds like

we’re all saying pretty much the same thing.

Today’s Lesson: If you don’t like a turd hat, don’t buy it, thus, affecting demand. But the cronies just can’t help themselves and therefore they’ll still shell out for a licensed poop helmet.

Okay, good times

I say ‘cool.’

I will never buy any of it. But I’m glad it’s out there. Why? Because bootleg merch is one of the best validations this franchise has received. It means we’ve made it.

Think of musicians: Grammies shmammies. But if you get parodied by Weird Al, you’re hot shit.

You know how many seriously welfare “L A” caps I’ve seen in the southland? It’s pathetic. It’s about time the Halos earned the respect of being pirated.

Or, such as in the case of Coldplay, you get to bootleg Joe Satriani AND get the grammy!
Call me young or ignorant

But I had to Youtube that one to understand who Joe Satriani is/was.

But I particularly enjoyed this one…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM

Course, that might be the MGD talking…

His "Summer Song" goes better with MGD.
So HE'S who does that song

Good times!

What the hell are the odds of this topic being made

I was at my mom’s helping her clean out some old stuff today, and we found an old Angels knock-off button down shirt from about 5 years ago that was going to inspire me to make this same topic as a fanpost. The button-down is not bad, and I definitely approve. I have authentic/replica stuff all over the place, but nothing wrong with the occasional knock-off.

And no sooner did i post this than I realized that it's not a knock-off, but instead

a product from the MLB ‘fan-inspired’ line of clothes. I rarely wear it, but I don’t mind it at all.

Damn. Is that a shirt or a bed throw?
Ba Boom Kishhhh!!!
It's the angle

it’s actually not that big. I’m 5’11", 160-165, and it isn’t excessively baggy.

They marketed those TO DEATH and still have a few left at various Sam’s Clubs here in SoCal. So that tells you the level of marketing on that thing. It was originally $24.99 and now is down to under $10.

I am still kicking myself for not buying the furry leopard Lakers cap in Bangladesh

It was the most delightfully hideous cap I’ve ever seen.

My rule of thumb when deciding what is OK to purchase among unlicensed merchandise — it must register high on the cheesiness scale. Items must grossly fail to approximate the Real McCoy, kind of like wearing Payless Shoes’ Pro Wings plastic waffle cleats to laugh in the face of Nike Air spikes.

The cap Rev posted above may qualify; the apparent fishing line that was used to stitch the hat, coupled with the lack of a proper halo, carries it into the acceptable level of cheese…

DUDE!

Payless has cleats???? I am so there.

I don't know if they still do, man -- that was 20 years ago

I eventually sold out and started wearing Nike…

This is hilarious

It gets harder and harder to be a rebel as you get older, doesn’t it?

In my opinion, “smarmy upscale suburban values” are no more obnoxious than smarmy post-modern, faux-rebellious values.

If you want to wear bootleg stuff, I have no problem with that. If you think it looks cool, that’s great. But, if you honestly think that it is “up to us to represent our loyalty to the team” by wearing bootleg stuff, I think you’re kidding yourself.

Personally, I go to a game to watch baseball – not to make a social statement or to engage in class warfare. And I really don’t care if the OC people want to act like snobs, as long as they don’t interfere with my enjoyment of the game. And, so far, they haven’t. I guess I’m just a tool of the system.

good points

slapping my post-modernism hurts…

...what comes after post-modernism?
post-post-modernism?
ON the soapbox


To put the enormity of the problem in financial terms, the U.S. Customs Service estimates that counterfeiting activity costs the U.S. more than $200 billion annually and has resulted in the loss of 750,000 American jobs. Recently, the FTC stated that eradicating counterfeit auto parts could create 200,000 new jobs in the U.S. auto industry alone. The International Chamber of Commerce estimates that counterfeiting drains more than $350 billion each year from the world’s economy – this is 7 to 9 percent of total world trade. And each dollar lost to law-abiding, hard-working American citizens and companies winds up lining the pockets of criminals.

Counterfeiting frequently is part of a larger criminal enterprise involving the theft of legitimate goods. Criminals responsible for distributing counterfeit goods are also often the ringleaders of organized retail theft. They have become expert in mixing counterfeit goods with stolen goods to "sanitize" the stolen goods and move them back into the supply chain. They feed on those buyers or distributors who are willing to turn a blind eye in return for a good deal. Sometimes, the buyer is innocent. We have documented evidence of a U.S. retailer buying back the very stock stolen from it a few weeks earlier. Counterfeit distribution networks also ease the transport of illegal drugs into U.S. markets. Recently, heroin was discovered stitched inside fake Louis Vuitton and Chanel handbags recovered in the Northeast.

The danger of counterfeiting goes beyond mere financial harm and theft. Organized crime and terrorist groups use the sale of counterfeit goods to raise money for illegal activities and violence. The Basque separatist group, ETA, has been linked to the sale of counterfeit clothing and handbags. Paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland have funded terrorist activities through the sale of pirated products, including copies of Disney’s The Lion King. Protection rackets in Italy no longer demand just money from retailers; instead, they want shelf space to sell counterfeit goods. Most alarming is that those who aim to terrorize United States citizens look to counterfeiting to help them achieve their deadly goal: Seized Al Qaeda training manuals recommend the sale of fake goods as a financing source for its terrorism.

In addition to aiding those who would intentionally harm us, counterfeiting leads directly to human suffering and death. Every day, thousands of sick people take counterfeit drugs that do nothing for them or, worse, hurt them. In the United States, there are dozens of recent cases involving everything from fake Viagra to phony meningitis vaccine. In China, the government-owned Shenzen Evening News estimates that 192,000 Chinese died in 2001 as a result of taking fake drugs. In a documented case in Nigeria, 100 children died after ingesting antifreeze that had been sold as a popular cough syrup.

We also know that fake automotive and aerospace parts are causing accidents with inevitable tragic consequences. In particular, the FAA has estimated that 2% of all replacement parts used on commercial airliners are fake, putting passengers at risk.

Counterfeiting is not a victimless crime. On the contrary, it causes devastating financial and physical harm to United States companies, employees, investors, consumers, patients, and citizens.

OFF the soapbox

oops...goofed that one up

from Statement of Richard K. Willard
Senior Vice President and General Counsel
The Gillette Company

"Counterfeiting and Theft of Tangible Intellectual Property:
Challenges and Solutions"

before the
Committee on the Judiciary
United States Senate

March 23, 2004

So what you are saying

is that you don’t want your friend’s band to even attempt to play VOODOO CHILD…

Agreed and rec’d

Man, do I have a lot of questions and doubt about all that data.

Fortunately for all concerned, this is a baseball blog and not an business economics blog, so I will leave it be. But I look forward to arguing this over tacos some day.

(For example [yeah, I couldn’t resist]:
- what proof does the FAA have that 100% of those 2% of ALL commercial airplane replacement parts that are replicas are in systems that impact flight safety? What if half of them are tray tables? Is this a case where the FAA is worried about some faulty tray table hinge breaking and a passenger gets a boo-boo and a band-aid?
- what proof does the FAA have that those replica parts are so far below any standard as to actually be expected to fail? Considering how many standards actually apply to manufactured aircraft components, is it possible that they actually DO comply with some standards?
- are the parts that the replicas replace made in America? 100%? Or are they made overseas as well and, therefore, cost this country zero jobs in the US Customs estimates?
- in the enormity of airline safety, how does any increased safety risk compare to all other risks we already know are not being dealt with? Are they worried about wingtip light bulbs here at some same level as overcrowded skies and in-flight near misses and flocks of birds around airports?
- I could go on. I won’t)

hiya stirrups!!!

a little info

FUNNY HOW

the enforcement always seems to be busting the guy with twelve SImpson knockoffs… funny how our public safety takes a back seat to the easiest bust on earth. Job well done, Bart is safe, now lets go home and watch the planes crash, troops.

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