because Pelfrey is not a very good pitcher. Because the Angels were getting baserunners left and right all evening. Because Willie Randolph didn’t know how or when to use his pen (witness allowing Pelfrey to throw the most pitches he’d ever thrown in his life, and not even make it through the 7th; it’s not as if he had a no-no going). There was a damn good chance the Angels were going to score again. Did we know it? No. Was it likely? Yes.
And I’m so over Justin Speier. A game-winning HR to a 40 yr. old journeyman in the 10th inning. That pitch made Bootcheck’s salami-ball in Oakland look good. Unreal.
1) BOTG goes to Frankie. Not KRod. Frankie. “BH + WP + BH = Blown Save” Frankie. He doesn’t deserve the title “KRod” tonight. He has to earn it back. Should be easy, but he has to earn it back.
2) Close Runner-up BOTG: Halo baserunning. Honest to God, over the past few games these guys have been taking their baserunning cues from none other than LEEROOOOY Jenkins.
But I think Mathis should take a big part of that 9th inning. Calling for a changeup to Reyes was a horrid pitch selection. Reyes had already seen the changeup that ab, and he is a contact hitter, Frankie’s slider is still his best pitch especially to someone that has never seen him. Not to mention his error in the first cost them a run.
1. Scioscia for putting Q into the lineup 2. Reagins for not finding a trade partner to get the Angels a useful reliever. Q is taking up valuable roster space and almost always ejects Kotchman against lefties when it is clear that Casey needs no coddling against southpaws.
I was at the game tonight with charlata. With two outs in the bottom of the ninth, we started cheering for the final out. The problem was, nobody else was cheering AT ALL. Perhaps they were worn out by the thousand visits to the mound by the Mets bench, or maybe they’d just grown to accustomed to Frankie’s automatic-ness over his last 25 save chances.
Whatever the case, Frankie blew it, and deserves the BOTG. But the Halos fans in the last inning didn’t help at all. GET OFF YOUR SPOILED ASSES, ANGELS FANS, because the division race isn’t over yet.
My BOTG is Bill Stoneman for depleting our bullpen by letting Turnbow go
off waivers. If he doesn’t do that, we don’t need the estaban yans and speiers of the world. Just look at Turnbow’s numbers since we let him go….
Year Tm Lg ERA W L G SV IP H R
+-----------+-----+--+---+---+-+--+------+----+----+
2005 MIL NL 1.74 7 1 69 39 67.3 49 15
2006 MIL NL 6.87 4 9 64 24 56.3 56 51
2007 MIL NL 4.63 4 5 77 1 68.0 44 36
2008 MIL NL 15.63 0 1 8 1 6.3 12 11
had one good season. The rest of that is pretty much garbage. Turnbow’s done. His magical superpowers involved steroids/HGH, his tests and statistics prove that. He’s just NOT a good pitcher.
I’d take Arredondo over Turnbow any day of the week. I hope you were just being ineffectively sarcastic because NOBODY wants Derrick Turnbow on their team.
He was DFA’d, and not a single team picked him up. He’s now down in the minors, trying to learn how to become a starter. It’s not working. Now, he can’t even get minor leaguers out.
Sometimes, it’s difficult to determine when a comment is made in jest when you can’t see the person or hear the tone of voice. I actually thought you were serious at first.
If night after night you need to have a one or two run save you are going to loose some game like this. And it will get worse if the offense doesn’t take some pressure off of the tail end of the bullpen. Last night we had a chance for a big inning if if weren’t for the stupid contact play, and Hunter’s stupid base running.
1. the first inning mis-play of Jose Reyes’ drive to the wall, leading to a triple instead of a double. Leave Reyes at 2nd and Garland comes out of the inning unscathed.
2, he loses track of the outs and starts walking toward the dugout thinking it is 3 outs, when it is only 2. Ends the inning by being caught in a run-down.
Stole second and forced a bad throw from Mathis which landed him on 3rd. The triple came in the 3rd and was an inch from clearing the wall in right center. Reyes thought it was out, Torii thought it was, and everyone watching thought it was out.
- J. Reyes tripled to deep center - M. Anderson hit sacrifice fly to left, J. Reyes scored - D. Wright lined out to third - C. Beltran grounded out to first 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors
BECOMES: - J. Reyes doubled to deep center on a smart play off the wall by T. Hunter - M. Anderson flied out to left - D. Wright lined out to third - C. Beltran grounded out to first 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors
Go go Gadget arms? Morph into Superman and leap up and make the catch before it hit the wall? Reyes was practically rounding 2nd when it hit the wall. There was no “misplay”.
He went up to the wall instead of waiting back (back, as in toward the plate) and playing the carom. In the slight chance it caroms, he put himself in a bad position to play it. If he judges it right (which should have been easy, as it was about HALFWAY up the wall and not even close to going out, man) he can wheel and deal the ball back into the infield. Take a look again at that. I watched it pretty clearly from F107 and felt that he was way too close to the wall and when he fell back, he missed it giving 3rd to Reyes pretty easily.
If you see it in a different light, let me know. I only saw it once and saw it live, but it looked like he definitely overpursued a ball that was clearly (from my point of view in F107) going to carom off the wall.
And it was clearly about an inch from going out. It even sparked discussion between Goober and Rory about instant replay and fan interference. Rory said “a fan could have reached out and caught that”. I looked at mlb.com for video but there is none. But the replay on FSN last night showed it missed by about an inch and Torii played it like it was a HR. Reyes even started out in his HR trot and then hit the gas when he rounded 1st.
HOWEVER, couldn’t he still have backed away from the fence a bit? Maybe next time he’ll get it right.
Anyway, my anger at Torii is a bit less justified after seeing this replay and thank you for pointing it out to me. Figures Goober would turn it into an instant replay argument. That’s all you hear when watching any MLB broadcasts nowadays.
Speaking as an aficianado of sports replay reviews...
...unless your photo os of the ball AFTER impact and on the downward flight back tot he field of play, that ball missed by what must be closer to 2 1/2 to 3 inches, not 1.
And that is my sabremetric precision contribution of the month.
If Torii hadn’t stopped to watch the game, we would almost certainly have scored another run in that inning, thus making Frankie’s humanity insignificant—for tonight, at least.
Honestly, I don’t see Frankie as BOTG here. He’s only human, and we can’t expect him to be perfect indefinitely. At least he only gave up the one run.
Hunter and Speier should share the blame on this one—
We had 2 outs with Reyes on 1st and they stillscored?
Bleeding hell. Also, Frankie has looked good this inning; if HK had gotten the Reyes liner, we win. If Guerrero scores at home, we win. If Hunter is not thrown out on the subsequent play, the inning is still alive.
This was not a game to lose… The Mets stole one from us because we gave it to them.
Krod
Lame wild pitch
edhoo - June 18, 2008
Definitely
with a runner up to Hunter for the baserunning mistake.
red floyd - June 19, 2008
francisco
duh. he didn’t do his job.
moreover, the wild pitch was incredibly stupid.
Carl Johnson - June 18, 2008
he was trying to pitch from the stretch.....
which he obviously cant do…
lightup_thehalo - June 18, 2008
What?
He always pitches from the stretch. He hasn’t pitched from the wind up in years.
LA Seitz - June 19, 2008
BOTG:K-Rod
lightup_thehalo - June 18, 2008
I was at the dbacks game
its the first time Dan Haren made me happy as he killed his former team
And K-rod is botg
WillGoAngels27 - June 18, 2008
not first time
but i was happy
WillGoAngels27 - June 18, 2008
easy......
if you have a speciality role on the team…......and you fail to do that job…...then all the blame goes to you….....frankie…..
norcaliangelsfan - June 18, 2008
Maybe he pitched like this to say he doesnt want to play for the mets next year
WillGoAngels27 - June 18, 2008
does want to play*
WillGoAngels27 - June 18, 2008
agree with everyone else so far
KRod it is
howiestheman - June 18, 2008
RED..........for his "Lets go Lakers Comment that cursed us"
BOTG is Red and K-Rod.
acuda27 - June 18, 2008
thank god we didnt have any weird kevin garnett post game interviews
ihearhowie2.0 - June 18, 2008
ROFL
acuda27 - June 18, 2008
IM glad the lakers showed up yesterday
WillGoAngels27 - June 18, 2008
that can be the NBA's marketing theme for next year
“Anything is possible!” sob sob
UCIHalo - June 18, 2008
i will never see KG the same way
Funke5ive - June 18, 2008
hard not to take frankie
same way arredondo was the other day: if he does his job, we win
ihearhowie2.0 - June 18, 2008
Actually if Arredondo would have done his job we would have been loosing 4-3.
Why are you all so sure we were going to score 6 runs.
acuda27 - June 18, 2008
But Frankie had the lead so he HAS to get BOTG
acuda27 - June 18, 2008
still on that one?
because Pelfrey is not a very good pitcher. Because the Angels were getting baserunners left and right all evening. Because Willie Randolph didn’t know how or when to use his pen (witness allowing Pelfrey to throw the most pitches he’d ever thrown in his life, and not even make it through the 7th; it’s not as if he had a no-no going). There was a damn good chance the Angels were going to score again. Did we know it? No. Was it likely? Yes.
jjackflash - June 18, 2008
frankie gets it tonight
he is, indeed, human
AHaloInSF - June 18, 2008
3 way share...
Torri, Frankie, Justin
Red - June 18, 2008
frankie
runner up goes to speier for being absolutely useless this year
UCIHalo - June 18, 2008
Frankie blew it
And I’m so over Justin Speier. A game-winning HR to a 40 yr. old journeyman in the 10th inning. That pitch made Bootcheck’s salami-ball in Oakland look good. Unreal.
ReggieBullits - June 18, 2008
Speier should be sent to the Mariners for a player to be named later.
Stephen Strausburg
44FAN - June 18, 2008
Haha. Maybe if Bavasi was still around.
ReggieBullits - June 18, 2008
Just send him,
don’t worry about a player. Getting him out of the bullpen (and off the west coast together) already makes our team better.
matthiasstephan - June 18, 2008
Frankie
ladybug - June 18, 2008
just when Spier was starting to look like he was back on track too....
lightup_thehalo - June 18, 2008
Frankie
44FAN - June 18, 2008
is damion like 4 feet tall?
ihearhowie2.0 - June 18, 2008
i wish he was still in an anaheim uniform right now
lightup_thehalo - June 18, 2008
LOL he would not be playing if he was here. He would be sitting next to JUANCHO
acuda27 - June 18, 2008
You can't possibly mean that
ReggieBullits - June 18, 2008
no i dont
lightup_thehalo - June 18, 2008
BOTG: The Seal This Deal game thread
That thread launched everything bad.
Stirrups - June 18, 2008
I think it ws the Steve Ballmer Pic
in the previous thread but… yeah.
Rev Halofan - June 18, 2008
speier is 0 and 4 with a ERA north of 5
i used to like that guy. now he is just a loser
UCIHalo - June 18, 2008
yea Speier is crap....
All I ever see him do in the bullpen anyway is chat it up w/ opposing players.
MH252525 - June 18, 2008
Seriously. Two Points:
1) BOTG goes to Frankie. Not KRod. Frankie. “BH + WP + BH = Blown Save” Frankie. He doesn’t deserve the title “KRod” tonight. He has to earn it back. Should be easy, but he has to earn it back.
2) Close Runner-up BOTG: Halo baserunning. Honest to God, over the past few games these guys have been taking their baserunning cues from none other than LEEROOOOY Jenkins.
Stirrups - June 18, 2008
panther
yeswecan - June 18, 2008
"K-Rod"
With an 8.42 K/9 is not worthy of the name.
scareduck - June 19, 2008
Forget the fact
He has saved 28 games this season and only blown two.
He’s k’d 539 batters in 414 innings according to his baseballreference.com page.
BBFan1 - June 19, 2008
His K numbers are WAAAAAAAY down this year
KingF15h - June 19, 2008
Not that I think he should get BOTG
But I think Mathis should take a big part of that 9th inning. Calling for a changeup to Reyes was a horrid pitch selection. Reyes had already seen the changeup that ab, and he is a contact hitter, Frankie’s slider is still his best pitch especially to someone that has never seen him. Not to mention his error in the first cost them a run.
MH252525 - June 18, 2008
The Soth will surely rake him over the coals
for those misdemeanors. However, Frankie shat the bed.
highlandhalo - June 18, 2008
the Soth has been all over Mathis' no-no parts recently
so i wont hold my breath.
...note the sarcasm and partial distain
howiestheman - June 18, 2008
You guys are way too in love with Napoli
Mathis calls a better game and is way better defensively than Nap. Sure Nap hits more HRs but the long ball isnt everything
KingF15h - June 19, 2008
OBP is nice.
hauldog - June 19, 2008
Scioscia seems to think Naps is a good defender.
hauldog - June 19, 2008
actually, according to an SI article, Naps was King!
ladybug - June 19, 2008
check the stats
Mathis actually is not better than Naps defensively.
they are about the same
howiestheman - June 19, 2008
I think it was Frankie sucking, to be honest
highlandhalo - June 18, 2008
Quinlan next in line for the woodshed
Okay… Vladdy on Third, Hunter on first, 1 out (GMJ of course) and Robb Quinlan cannot LIFT THE BALL IN THE AIR, he grounds to the infield.
Dammit, get the ball in the AIR, dude…
Rev Halofan - June 18, 2008
and this is why i refuse to hop on the Q train
i still think he’s useless
howiestheman - June 18, 2008
yea wasn't Kotchman leading the league in hitting against LHP.
Everyone on the team is healthy now and our lineup ends in GMJ, Q, Mathis, Aybar. That’s a bad bad bad bottom 4.
MH252525 - June 18, 2008
In which case
Blame one of
1. Scioscia for putting Q into the lineup
2. Reagins for not finding a trade partner to get the Angels a useful reliever. Q is taking up valuable roster space and almost always ejects Kotchman against lefties when it is clear that Casey needs no coddling against southpaws.
scareduck - June 19, 2008
We suck
:)
Hahhh! Got ya …
highlandhalo - June 18, 2008
great game, bummer finish
I was at the game tonight with charlata. With two outs in the bottom of the ninth, we started cheering for the final out. The problem was, nobody else was cheering AT ALL. Perhaps they were worn out by the thousand visits to the mound by the Mets bench, or maybe they’d just grown to accustomed to Frankie’s automatic-ness over his last 25 save chances.
Whatever the case, Frankie blew it, and deserves the BOTG. But the Halos fans in the last inning didn’t help at all. GET OFF YOUR SPOILED ASSES, ANGELS FANS, because the division race isn’t over yet.
yeswecan - June 18, 2008
BOTG...
David Wright
BBFan1 - June 19, 2008
scottnak - June 19, 2008
My BOTG is Bill Stoneman for depleting our bullpen by letting Turnbow go
off waivers. If he doesn’t do that, we don’t need the estaban yans and speiers of the world. Just look at Turnbow’s numbers since we let him go….
melvintoast - June 19, 2008
Turnbow
had one good season. The rest of that is pretty much garbage. Turnbow’s done. His magical superpowers involved steroids/HGH, his tests and statistics prove that. He’s just NOT a good pitcher.
I’d take Arredondo over Turnbow any day of the week. I hope you were just being ineffectively sarcastic because NOBODY wants Derrick Turnbow on their team.
GarretSaysSuckIt - June 19, 2008
Correct
He was DFA’d, and not a single team picked him up. He’s now down in the minors, trying to learn how to become a starter. It’s not working. Now, he can’t even get minor leaguers out.
http://www.onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/turnbowstarts.html
jjackflash - June 19, 2008
Hey! Someone call up Reagins and tell him to sign Turnbow!!
Now the Bill is gone, we might be able to keep our best prospects!
melvintoast - June 19, 2008
Sarcasm
Sometimes, it’s difficult to determine when a comment is made in jest when you can’t see the person or hear the tone of voice. I actually thought you were serious at first.
jjackflash - June 19, 2008
If you dont know me by now....
melvintoast - June 19, 2008
Simply Red?
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Funny
I assume this is a joke, right?
jjackflash - June 19, 2008
Yeah he is awesome.
Turnbow the juicer is totally a difference maker!
WTF?
hauldog - June 19, 2008
Our problem is not pitching
If night after night you need to have a one or two run save you are going to loose some game like this. And it will get worse if the offense doesn’t take some pressure off of the tail end of the bullpen. Last night we had a chance for a big inning if if weren’t for the stupid contact play, and Hunter’s stupid base running.
Halo84653 - June 19, 2008
Exactly...
If Hunter and Guerrero don’t make the baserunning gaffes, we have more cushion.
Everyone here is blaming Frankie, but if we give him a 2 or 3 run save situation, this is a non-issue.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
I don't blame Guerrero
He was told to go on contact. I blame Hunter for killing that inning.
red floyd - June 19, 2008
True
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
True
what in the hell was he thinking??
KingF15h - June 19, 2008
I'm telling ya'
Leroy Jenkins.
Stirrups - June 19, 2008
Nobody else here makes this vote?
Torii Hunter blew the game pretty clearly…
1. the first inning mis-play of Jose Reyes’ drive to the wall, leading to a triple instead of a double. Leave Reyes at 2nd and Garland comes out of the inning unscathed.
2, he loses track of the outs and starts walking toward the dugout thinking it is 3 outs, when it is only 2. Ends the inning by being caught in a run-down.
3. Striking out to end the game.
I caught myself booing Torii for the first time.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Reyes singled in the 1st
Stole second and forced a bad throw from Mathis which landed him on 3rd. The triple came in the 3rd and was an inch from clearing the wall in right center. Reyes thought it was out, Torii thought it was, and everyone watching thought it was out.
ReggieBullits - June 19, 2008
You are right...
I’m on drugs.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Still, it led to the run...
- J. Reyes tripled to deep center
- M. Anderson hit sacrifice fly to left, J. Reyes scored
- D. Wright lined out to third
- C. Beltran grounded out to first
1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors
BECOMES:
- J. Reyes doubled to deep center on a smart play off the wall by T. Hunter
- M. Anderson flied out to left
- D. Wright lined out to third
- C. Beltran grounded out to first
0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
What did you want Torii to do?
Go go Gadget arms? Morph into Superman and leap up and make the catch before it hit the wall? Reyes was practically rounding 2nd when it hit the wall. There was no “misplay”.
ReggieBullits - June 19, 2008
No...to play it smarter, Reg.
He went up to the wall instead of waiting back (back, as in toward the plate) and playing the carom. In the slight chance it caroms, he put himself in a bad position to play it. If he judges it right (which should have been easy, as it was about HALFWAY up the wall and not even close to going out, man) he can wheel and deal the ball back into the infield. Take a look again at that. I watched it pretty clearly from F107 and felt that he was way too close to the wall and when he fell back, he missed it giving 3rd to Reyes pretty easily.
If you see it in a different light, let me know. I only saw it once and saw it live, but it looked like he definitely overpursued a ball that was clearly (from my point of view in F107) going to carom off the wall.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
I had the benefit of replay
And it was clearly about an inch from going out. It even sparked discussion between Goober and Rory about instant replay and fan interference. Rory said “a fan could have reached out and caught that”. I looked at mlb.com for video but there is none. But the replay on FSN last night showed it missed by about an inch and Torii played it like it was a HR. Reyes even started out in his HR trot and then hit the gas when he rounded 1st.
ReggieBullits - June 19, 2008
Gotcha...
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Here is the replay snapshot
Sure enough, it was pretty high.
HOWEVER, couldn’t he still have backed away from the fence a bit? Maybe next time he’ll get it right.
Anyway, my anger at Torii is a bit less justified after seeing this replay and thank you for pointing it out to me. Figures Goober would turn it into an instant replay argument. That’s all you hear when watching any MLB broadcasts nowadays.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Speaking as an aficianado of sports replay reviews...
...unless your photo os of the ball AFTER impact and on the downward flight back tot he field of play, that ball missed by what must be closer to 2 1/2 to 3 inches, not 1.
And that is my sabremetric precision contribution of the month.
Stirrups - June 19, 2008
I guesstimated six...
but I was content to let Reggie win the argument and leave it at 1 inch. I had given him enough unwarranted grief already.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Of course he wasn't going to catch it...
smartass! ;)
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
Agree
If Torii hadn’t stopped to watch the game, we would almost certainly have scored another run in that inning, thus making Frankie’s humanity insignificant—for tonight, at least.
Honestly, I don’t see Frankie as BOTG here. He’s only human, and we can’t expect him to be perfect indefinitely. At least he only gave up the one run.
Hunter and Speier should share the blame on this one—
Clutch - June 19, 2008
was a good pitch
the pitch frankie threw was actually a great pitch…he just got the tip of his bat on it.
surfpunk - June 19, 2008
...live by the sword, die by the sword…
Rev Halofan - June 19, 2008
oh man...
I’m watching it right now on FSN:PT.
We had 2 outs with Reyes on 1st and they stillscored?
Bleeding hell. Also, Frankie has looked good this inning; if HK had gotten the Reyes liner, we win. If Guerrero scores at home, we win. If Hunter is not thrown out on the subsequent play, the inning is still alive.
This was not a game to lose… The Mets stole one from us because we gave it to them.
shiftyeyedgoat - June 19, 2008
been seeing quite a few line shots
just missed by our middle infielder.
SCHalo - June 19, 2008
Silver platter
That’s how friendly the Angels were in giving that one away.
Downing Rules - June 19, 2008
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