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Should I Renew My Season Seats?

I wanted to get this up before any Teixeira decision because this is about the market for tickets and not the product on the field – I assume that Arte will deliver a great product on the field, but I believe his market has peaked (for a variety of debatable factors) and that value is to be had by fans NOT holding season seats.

The 2009 season will see many season seat holders trying to get any value they can out of their season seats. This will mean lower legal scalping prices on the stub-hub ticket exchange... the demand will be low and the supply will be high. The bad economy will also mean more promotions from the Angels themselves with mid-week $3 games against unpopular teams.

I have until January 9 to decide if I want to pay $2400 for my two season seats. This is more than double what they cost in 2002. But cost is not the factor here. Value and Waste, are though. I cannot give away Sunday (Free Sunburn) day games – that is $390 right there. Frankly, I stopped going to Dodger, Red Sox and Yankee and I am too disorganized to try to get top dollar for those desirable tickets. I have a life that involves socializing so Friday and Saturday games are not a slam-dunk for me either. So I have come to embrace Tuesday night games against the A’s, Rangers and Mariners.

If we make 24 games this season and spend $100 on two tickets each time, we will probably get great seats for every game. Make that 20 games and throw in a visit to the Diamond Club. Mix and match - the buying options have never been easier and the glut of good seats available at reasonable one-game prices has arrived.

2009 will be the season that more tickets are available for less than ever before. I have to give Robert Alvarado $2,400 by January 9, or it will be the first time since the 1998 season that I do not have some sort of ticket package.

What are your thoughts about the market for Angels tickets in 2009?

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sadly

individual games are probably the way to go this year

unless you go to 60+ games including the "biggies"

i just don’t see this season having the 45K crowds midweek – and I see a LOT of seat-holders needing to make at least a LITTLE dough on those games.

my family hasnt gotten season tickets since 2002

we had had them since the early 90s, but the prices became too much. its much better now to just buy individual tickets and go when you can; its just not worth all the money for all the games. and as a moral standpoint, i never charge more than face if i sell my tickets…so its really not worth it for me. all the ticket promotions and price drops at random games make it easy enough to go. and its more of an experience when youre not going everyday.

After much (of the same) consideration... I'm renewing

Rev – I’ve been in a similar dilemma… and have decided to pony up at least one more year. We’ve had our field level seats since the early days of the franchise, and I just don’t have the heart to give them up (yet), no matter how much closer they bring me to bankruptcy.

The last time I even considered giving them up was 2002… so maybe just the thought of it is an omen for great things.

My seats have increased $10 per ticket THIS YEAR, which is insane in any economy. And you are right… too many day games… I can’t give those seats away. And can’t stand to be around the obnoxious Yankee, Red Sox and Dodger fans, so I sell off those games… but I don’t expect to get the premium for those games that I used to (which subsidized the rest of the season). Fortunately, for the time being, I have folks to whom I can sell off enough of the season to be able to afford the tickets… but I can see a day in the forseeable future where I’ll be watching more games on TV, and a few via individual game tickets.

My family is in a similar situation

Our tickets went up 25 a seats to 150……. Frankly I can’t believe they did that. My mom bought the seats when she was in college and unlike most of the people around us we don’t have our own businesses. I’m a HS Teacher, my wife is an Elementary Teacher and my mom is Substitute Teacher. Our ticket bill came to slightly over 50k. Luckily the seats being some of the best in the place I think I’ll still be able to sell them at face value. But I already had one long time buyer say “no mas”.

When it came down to it though…. The biggest reason why I’m trying to renew them this year….

All-Star Game in 2010. Those tickets will hopefully command a big enough premium to offset some small losses this year. We’ll see though, I definitely agree with you though that for the regular season it’s not worth it to be a season seat holder anymore.

Where are they at MH?
Diamond Club Front-Row
MH: I will buy a couple seats from you during the season

If it is OK with Rev to share our contact info in the spirit of HH fans helping out each other…..

Diamond Club

For years my grandmother, mom, and dad would buy about 12-14 tickets per year on the first base side of the field level then eventually the diamond club, but that stopped about 3 years ago mostly due to monetary reasons. We also factored in my dad who never wants to leave the house, my grandmother who doesn’t like to go out much due to her advanced age, and the fact that I wouldn’t be able to go to many games since I would be attending school in San Diego.

With my mom being the only one that would be able to or want (of course I still wanted to but couldn’t) to go to the games, it just didn’t make financial sense to keep buying so many tickets at such a high price. So for the past 3 years I have been going with my mom to games on the weekends. We mostly sit in the lower view levels or sometimes the non MVP field sections on the 1st or 3rd base side. I actually prefer sitting in those areas compared to the Diamond Club since over the years the section has gotten extremely corporate and listless to the point where at times I feel like I am attending a symphony at the Orange County Performing Arts Center rather than a baseball game. The many indifferent wealthy and upper middle class business execs and clients that sit there just take away from the exciting atmosphere you would expect of going to a baseball game.

Unless you have the time, money to burn, or can find people to share your season tickets with, I find it very difficult for most fans to be able to justify making the purchase unless it’s a mini plan. Of course there is a big emotional attachment to those seats, especially if they have been in the family for years and years, but there comes a point unfortunately for many where it just is financially illogical to keep making the purchase. This is especially true when there are still plenty of opportunities (and as the Rev states there will be even more in 2009 since it will be a buyers market) available for fans to purchase some great single seats.

Yankee, Red Sox, Dodger Games

I no longer go to those games since those obnoxious “fans” get me pissed to the point where I start yelling at them and sometimes getting into verbal arguments with them. It just isn’t worth my energy to waste my time on these ignorant “fans” that just go to the games to bait the Angel fans and cause trouble. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these “fans” own all 3 of those jerseys and put on a Yankees jersey one week, a Dodgers jersey another week, and then finally a Red Sox jersey when they are visiting.

Rev...

Unfortunately, i no longer live in socal, so I am limited to the occasional ticket when i get a chance. When i was growing up in socal I often split season tickets with a group, or bought the 20 game “package.” Even with the 20 game, i could not make it to all the games, and like yourself didn’t have the organization in myself to even get my money back ( i usually just gave the tickets away). I came to the realization that i could go to about 8-10 games with seats 200 or lower, and between either baseline for what I was paying. Once I started to do that, I went to every game I had a ticket for, and I enjoyed the experience a little more by not feeling guilty about money I wasted. I agree, this isn’t about money, the Angels are very fairly priced, its about waste. I saw drop em, and enjoy the high life with high quality seats for less games.

meant

200 section* or lower

Section 240

Will never be the same. I say renew.

BTW, we’re in Row A in 240 and our seats went up $7 per seat, per game. Artie BEST give Teix $300 mil for that fucking increase.

I buy a chunk of games off of Sethy here which helps him with the steep costs...

and gets me some great tickets. I love it.

There’s always that.

Row A, B and C are now "RF ALL STAR"

And mine are just “RF MVP” but only went up $2 a seat…

All-Star

It better equal SIGNING SOME ALL-STARS! C’mon now.

Correction.

“the demand will be low and because the supply will be high.”

no no no...

…the demand will be low because of a poor economy – the supply will be high because so many season seat holders who cannot make every game have renewed (which they did despite the bad economy because they had large credits on their accounts after only using 2 postseason tickets).

so what you are saying is

you are not certain your situation is a common one for the average season ticket holder?
 I have never owned season tickets. So, if as a season seat holder you purchased post season tix that weren’t used, the only way to get your money back is a credit for next season?

I think they give a refund

If you order the postseason package, there is a way to get your money back on unused tickets – but the money sits in your seatholder account – and how many people read the fine print, jump thru the hoops and know they can still come back with the dough on January 9?

I see now.

So if economic times are so bad….and they are! Why wouldn’t most season ticket holders downsize their ticket plans?

Sounds like from your analogy: the demand will be low because of a poor economy – the supply will be high because so many season seat holders who cannot make every game have renewed…..
those with money aren’t being hurt enough by the economy to not afford their season tickets (The "Rich"), while the demand will be low because average jo fan can’t afford the tickets for single games (The shrinking middle class).

their is not a pick and choose option

most postseason packages are within 10% of the season seat renewal cost (due to our ALDS defeat)… so the “rich” will renew at little current cost (they spent the money in August) and then try to make a buck like never before on the re-sale of their seats.

Rev...thank you for your insight on this issue

you presented some great points I would have never considered. It is a complex decision to make.

Do you beleive that if you ride it out one more season with your season tickets that you could get enough commitments from your contacts to offset your finances just this one year on your season tix? And wouldn’t you think that with so many long term predictions of a recession that eventually Arte is going to have to lower ticket prices if he wants to keep his stadium filled?

All the best my man.

It comes down to the playoffs, and your right of first refusal to attend them in your seats.

Aside from that if you know you are only going to go to 20-24 games you are right you could get great seats to those games and spend the $2,400 or even less that you would have spent.

$2400

Upgrade the TV to a flat panel HD for all the games you’ll be watching from home.

HOWARDS of course
Save your money

I know a family that lost 45 million in the stock market Many people and companies have suffered the equalizing effect, bringing them to a reality check as it compares to their fellow man. Many of these people are frantic and baseball is the farthest thing from their minds. Therefore, I expect eBay sales to boom, as well as the stub hub.

The demand for season seats should be down and the opportunity for fans to get great seats should be up.

Don’t count on automatic 39,000 attendance this year. Lucky to be 30,000.

Excellent points. Is thre even $45 Million LEFT in the stock market?

Man this thread is kinda a bummer...

personal stories of all these longtime angel fans…no..families having to give up their season tickets. Hope our paychecks + price of tickets levels out a bit!

There's worse financial things that can happen to families than not being able to afford season tickets.

And who knows, these worse things might be on the way over the next 3-5 years.

hard choice

if you only are going to 20 games then just buy a half season package and upgrade the seats

Sorry.

I’m an economist by trade. The original statement just struck me as odd. Agree however.

Poor economy? They just released a new development in North Irvine. Tract homes starting at $1 Million.

Either these guys are high or they know something we don’t

I was not singling you out in my clarification. How many of the homes have sold? Would they have been $2 million homes two years ago? If so then they are holding a half-price sale.

Track housing

Why someone would want to pay $1 Million for a cookie cutter track house with no yard is beyond on me, but to each his own.

RENEW...

you have a great vantage point on the game at a pretty decent price, still. Call or email me and I can take (at face) your sunday tickets. I need the sun exposure.

I did not renew my season seats in F107 — it was an amazing view with a very high price.

The resale market was a joke in 2008. 2007 was great for resale when I got paid $800 to see 25 games. Booyah!

Stupid question

Aren’t we all doing the Angels a disservice by not going to the Dodger, Sox, and Yankees games? Why let their fans intimidate you? I go to an occasional A’s game up here (wife is a fan) when they play the Yanks, and I relish it.

Of course I don’t miss and A’s/Angels game.

Get your season tickets

How else r we going @ pae for U-HAUL nad MANNY????

Resale

I think a big reason the resale market stunk in 2008 was because it took them half the season to get the StubHub program up with instant email delivery. While I’ll list seats well ahead of time, most don’t sell until the day of… or a day or two ahead…. and with no downloadable option until mid-season, there was very little online interest.

I do think the Angels are intent on making a free-agent splash….if it’s Teixeira or Manny, I don’t think attendance will drop too much. If they get desperate, like they did 2 years ago, and throw piles of money at a GMJ type… we could be looking at pre-2002 attendance type figures.

Disagree

I didn’t use on-line methods (emailing tix) AT ALL in ‘07 — and yet I sold tickets whenever I wanted to. In ’08 a ticket listing on ebay or craigs list would go unpurchased for weeks or not even sell whereas in ’07, I’d sell within 24 hours of posting.

Buy the season seats

So Arte signs Teix.

That is all.

buy 'em

Just cuz I need to see your Pittsburgh Pirates-looking Angels hat. I shall miss it if you’re not there.

Man

we did not renew our seats this year. It sucks but you know right not it is not worth the money. I would rather go to individual games but maybe in a couple years we will get them back.

This started Last Year...

I was a 27-game plan last year. There were several occasions where I wanted to go to an extra game with some friends in town and all. I found baseline Upper View Seats for like $4.50. Granted it was a mid week game, but vs. Oakland and Isle seats. $4.50 is scary.

Did anyone hear whay they said on PMS just now?

It was the first promising news about the Teixiera deal all off season. To sum it up: Arte offered the most money. at least 10 million more than any other team. Go Arte!

Don't renew.

Ordinarily, I would advise that you renew. If you assume that renewals will be dropping, then you must also assume that the chances of your ability to upgrade locations must be improving. And I would advise that you grab it while the grabbing is good. Unlike the real world market, the Halos remain a community monopoly.

However, you seem to be pretty happy with your location already, so the value proposition for relocating elsewhere is probably pretty small. Meanwhile, it is not as if you are trying to move up the 3B side closer to the infield. You are in the RF bleachers. You can pretty easily buy back into that same section in later years.

On the other hand, there is always the common notion of building a timeshare with your ownership to reserve your spot. My phone, for example, has been ringing off the hook and I have not yet found a deal worth buying into. One was in your area, but well behind you. And yet, I remain open to invitations…

angels

they don’t care about you. why would they?

I hope everyone reads this over and it sticks:

YOUR TICKET $ DOES NOT GO TO THE PLAYERS’ SALARIES!!!!!

TV revenue pays their checks. Arte even said this when he said, “We are not at the point where ticket sales go towards players salaries yet.” He said that last spring training. And he didn’t have to say it to make it obvious. Do the math: EVEN IF they sold out every seat in the house for every game of the season, it wouldn’t even come close to the payroll of the players.

Your $ goes to:

Commission to TicketMaster, the Sales Reps and their bosses: Robert Alvarado, Tom DeTemple, Brian Sanders.
The front office salaries, the staff in all the offices and Aramark employees, but I’m pretty sure the $9 CPK pizzas covers that. The city gets all the parking $, 100% of it.
Advertising.
Ernie Prukner salary, which is likely $30k
The pay for the Strike Force. Terrible, isn’t it.
The pay for someone who does nothing: Elaine Lombardi, who plans the game day schedule and during the off-season, goes into the office and does literally nothing. By nothing, I mean watch the World Baseball Classic, Dominican and Mexican baseball, Oprah, and CNN.
The pay for Peter Bull, who is in charge of the scoreboard. What does he do during the off-season you ask? Flirt with the girl in charge of the Strike Force, Heather Capezzi.

NONE, i repeat , NONE of your ticket revenue goes to the players. Don’t shout at them, “I pay your salary!!!” Unless, of course, you work as a media buyer for FSN or ESPN or whatever channel the Angels are on. The shared revenue pays for their salaries. Without TV = No baseball. Did you really think that those $3 Kids and Teens (the most pathetic promotion this side of last year’s Garret Anderson RBI Wall Clock made by 4 year olds in the slums of China) Nights payed for Bengie Molina’s Hummer or Jose Molina’s Mercedes or Mo Vaughn’s insane contract, or Torii Hunter’s Bentley?

hostility abounds

Did Mister McGee get laid off from his part-time stadium job?

No, straight fired from a well-paying FT position actually...

I’ll stop just short of naming names (but boy am I tempted after reading that) but will say that this guy dug his own grave and got exactly what he deserved.

In fact, the organization gave him every opportunity for him to rectify his own situation, treated him more than fairly, and, out of sheer ego and pride, he refused to comply and instead chose sour grapes and name-calling.

He needs to just take his meds and get over it. It’s time.

Wow

Besides that, Mrs Kennedy, how was Dallas?

Chuckling aloud...

spot on.

Actually

Jose has the Hummer. I parked it once at SCP.

Strike Force

If my season ticket money goes to help Erin then I’m all for that. Does she have a twin sister they could hire?

Damn McGee

Don’t hold back – tell us how you REALLY feel.

If I had season tix, I’d be second-guessing them right now.

they fired me.

I used to clean up all the vomit from the fans who saw the available seats for upgrade at Select-A-Seat. I mainly worked in the 500’s. It’s called looking up the ticket employees and re-typing them here…. and know someone in the office. :]

Not sure who Garret SaysSuckIt is talking about, but that person isn’t me, I don’t work for the Angels. Curious to know who that person was, however, since the list of those who make good $ in the front office is very small. And Alvarado makes a pretty penny.

No one commented on the TV revenue information. My apologies if that information was already known. Zoe Necrosis gets the award for funniest follow-up comment!! hilarious!

shouldn't we on here...

…trade season seats on here and take out the middle men of Stub Hub and eBay,? Wouldn’t that save everyone money? It’s not like anyone can go to all the games. And who wants to go to the Yankees, Doyers, and Red Sox games? Those games bring out the worst in Angels fans, who shout to Yankees fans obscenities as they walk in with their kids.

Hey Angels fans, I went to a Yankees/Angels game in the Bronx and I was treated with love. No one told my child to suck their anything since we were wearing Angels hats.

my job is to run a blog not save you money...

…cheapskate.

hahaha

save me $!

An Outsider's Perspective

Is really worth nothing, in the end. Unless you decide to read something into it and liken it to yourself at another point in your life. So I’ll toss it out there, because the chardonnay is taking effect, and what better place to deposit my inebriated musings than the site I check (literally) fifty times a day, Halos Heaven?

I’ve daydreamed about owning season tickets or some form of mini-plan for a long time. I don’t know that it will ever happen. As near as my tiny brain can discern, all that is available to me, should I wish to start rolling my pennies, are neck-craning bleeders. And not even the Lower View MVP bleeders, but the higher level ones. Why on earth would I want to be stuck with those seats on a pre-determined basis when half the games I went to last year were weekday $5 specials in the View section?

On the other hand, it seems like many of you have, through years of dedication or family inheritance, retained freaking fantastic seats. Up-close views of living heroes that inspire and incite – even if all they do is throw a ball and chase around a bunch of bags. The destitute but beatific fan in me wants to believe that they would do whatever they could – put whatever effort into it was necessary – to maintain those views. Like they were my seats, like Norm at Cheers.

But again, I don’t see myself having the salad to pony up for such a thing in the foreseeable future. So it’s just a fantasy. So you’ll see me in the 500’s next year, and the year after that, with an AM walkman in my ear.

“Okay, Zoe – you said plus at the beginning and minus at the end – it adds up to nothing. What are you trying to say?”

You know, I’m not really sure.

I think I just wanted to remind some people out there that if they have good seats they’re giving up something they may never really get back.

But on the other hand (again?!) I can see casually forfeiting Yankees and Dodger games. I’d much rather hang out with the Oakland, Seattle, and Texas fans. At least they like baseball, and not just their cap / armband. (I’ve been to Chaves Latrine. I saw five fights that day. I have better things to do with my energy.)

“So let’s wrap this up, shall we?”

Sure. Some of you have stated that you can’t give away Sunday tickets. Is that a figurative or literal statement? Because if you literally can’t give them away, let me know. I work every other Sunday, but if I’m off, I’ll totally keep your seats cool for you.

I am by default

Didn’t say “no” once I got the statement from the Angels after their first round (again) exit.

if your not worried about maintaining your seats or seniority

then your case for single game seats makes a lot of sense.

SENIORITY

The only thing Seniority gets you is dibs on moving to available seats at select-a-seat. If you do not have the dough you cannot move up and if you had a rough year, you can always move to cheaper seats.

The Angels blew it

Instead of keeping a loyal base of long time season ticket holders, they chose to relentlessly raise the price of tickets to the point where it is no longer worth it to own season tickets. Every other professional team that I know of is freezing ticket prices this year. Every one. The Angels might be expected to lower prices a little given their recent price hikes and how poorly 2008 resale was. It appears that they are just going to keep raising prices until season ticket holders leave in droves. 2009 is the year. Get rid of your seats Rev.

it is not the money, really

It starts to become an issue of convenience. One year I had four seats – ate a lot of games when only two of us went. Mostly I have two seats – cannot add someone into the party spontaneously at the last minute. If we lived at the platinum triangle, no doubt it would be great to cruise over every night for a few hours, but there is the hassle, etcetera.

We’ll see, i still have a few weeks to decide.

It isn't the money

but they’ve really taken away the advantage that people had in buying season seats. They’re trying to squeeze every last penny out of the season ticket holder base. The only way that it makes financial sense to own season seats is if the Angels make the World Series. You get better seats at lower prices. And unless the Angels are playing the Red Sox or Yankeees in the playoffs, you can even pick up seats below face value to the ALDS and ALCS.

And still ours are below league average, and compared to the other top 5 payrolls a BARGAIN
Rev - You GOTTA Renew

The park needs true fans, rather than the nonbaseball fans who buy the tix because it’s the “cool” thing to do.

Take back our stadium and make sure that the Big A doesn’t become n outdoor Staples Center

my experience in 2008

The ticket resale market was really pathetic in 2008, thanks to the ridiculous switch over to StubHub. Outrageous fees negated any discount otherwise available for non-premium games. It took them 1/2 the season to implement e-mail delivery, and once they did, they charged an additional premium for the privilege.

It kept me away from a few games this year.

Maybe a partial season package is the way to go for you.

Agreed, SutbHub is MLB's way of shooting themselves in the foot

I’m sure it made them a short term profit, but I’m going to buy a lot less seats off of stubhub than I did the ticket exchange. The fees at StubHub are ridiculous and MLB will lose fans in the long term as a result.

The fees are almost the same

I don’t get why people are so upset about the fees. The ticketexchange charged 10% to buyer and seller plus a few dollars for edelivery. Stubhub charges 10% to buyer and 15% to seller plus $5 for edelivery.

there's more

$15 for so-called “last minute” service.

With ticket exchange, I could wait until about 3:30 on the day of the game (7:05 game) to buy tickets. Try waiting that long on StubHub, and they whop you with a $15 surcharge. The fees are most definitely not the same. An $11 ticket on the old TE was around $13.50; it becomes a $31 ticket on StubHub if purchased day-of-game.

That was only during the first half of the season

Once they got edelivery rolling, it was $5 per order and you could wait until 2 hours before gametime. Within 2 hours of gametime is when the $15 per order came in. And I believe that next year all tickets will be available via edelivery, not just season ticket holder seats.

Actual numbers

TE $11 ticket plus 10% buyer fee plus $2.50 delivery
SH $11 ticket plus 10% buyer fee plus $5 delivery

So we’re only talking about a $2.50 difference in the delivery fee, not the $17.50 difference you just posted.

yes but

no – repeat NO – guarantee they keep the fees the same – they can do whatever they want, unilaterally, at any time. IF the market is hot they can throw on all sorts of fees and percentages at will. if the market is cold, they can reduce the price, only let people inflate ticket prices a tiny bit, etc. One cannot enter into this with any assumptions of cost certainty – unless you just buy the season seat package.

Ticket Exchange had a fee assessed to the buyer as well?
Day of game???

Try like 3 days before $15 last minute fee for paper tickets 3 days before event. More than once last year!

Stubhub

It amazes me that anyone used that service at all until e-delivery. What a joke.

let's boycott!

no one go to the games to show them who is boss!!

… that’s what they did last year in Whale’s Vagina

feel free to boycott all the vagina you want !

I have tried in the past but it doesn’t seem to work on a unilateral level.

Ticket Increase

I heard on the radio yesterday that the Angels are one of 14 teams in MLB to increase ticket prices this year. The Dodgers did not increase tickets, and they’re promoting that fact in their current marketing efforts.

I think raising ticket prices (and to the extent that they did) is one of the biggest mistakes of the Arte Moreno regime. Really misreads the current economic climate. They will likely pay for it with empty seats

sunburn

Rev, I’ll buy your Sunburn Sundays for $390, call cupie for my number

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