It seem like a lot of fans on other sites ( I will not mention) root for their team to lose to get the draft picks. That seems kind of sad to me, you should root for your team to win no matter what.
Since this match is listed in the heading with the other matches, does it mean we are allowed to freely comment about it while it is going on, or will our moose get dressed?
Ifill did an interview in the Washington Post about the book on September 9th.
It kind of indicates to me maybe the McCain campaign fails to do their homework properly. I think Ifill will probably be fair, if not she will catch hell for it, and Palin will come out smelling like a rose with the golden excuse that the moderator was’nt being fair. The bar has been set so low now, Palin just needs to just appear at the debate to have done well.
A hundred+ cable channels and there is nothing better on?
Admit it, you love SNL. You think it’s currently relevant enough that it turned Tina Fey into a “superstar.” I bet most people in this country don’t know who the hell Tina Fey is nor do they care. SNL is so full of itself it now seems to think it can get by on its own reputation from the days when it was actually (mildly) funny.
Personally, I would rather watch the Magic Bullet infomercial than watch SNL.
that is one of the WEAKEST arguments i’ve ever heard..
“oh, McCain is old, so Palin is probably going to be President”.
that’s flat-out stupid.
like you said, every person is mortal. how many people have we seen on the news turn up dead, even though they were in good health? what makes you so sure that Obama won’t be assassinated or die from some freak accident?
and it is a fact that mccain is the oldest person to run for a first term in office, and, like it or not, his age and health are a factor in this. i dont think anyone is saying mccain is going to drop dead in a few months, but people are mortal and the vp is next in line. thats essentially their job, cast never-needed tie breaking votes in the senate and wait for the president to keel over. so as a “president-in-waiting” we have to look at them as a possible prez. no one is sure and thats the point. so no need to get offended with the mccain age comment.
i was asking a question. what is mainstream america? i mean they were being “offended” so i wanted to know actually.
if mainstream america is the accent you were referring to, thats also not true. most of america lives on the coasts and does not share said accent. there are different accents yes, but i wouldnt call hers (palin’s) mainstream.
the media is a big beast that cant be defined with a liberal or conservative label. i could go on and on about this. but the media doesnt really lend itself to nice little categorical definitions. you have things like fox news and talk radio, where do they fit in the liberal media definition?
and the most watched form of this media beast we’re discussing is local news. and thats generally intended to scare people. Fear-mongering….fear outsiders, consumer products, etc etc. Thats just plain fear, no lean
the liberal media label is done with zero analysis, and is tiresome. theres a much bigger picture to look at. theres no such thing as unbiased news, but its not a one-sided bias. not even close.
How many times did she mention George Bush or his awesome administration?
Just that she wanted to continue Bush’s never ending Iraq war policies in Afghanistan with a brand new surge. Where ya gettin’ da troops for that Sarah – you betcha?
She never brought up the Bush administration. The GOP has disassociated itself from Bush.
They have no plan and nothing at all to run on. All they have left is try to attack Obama with lies, fabrications, and racism to try to sway votes. I don’t think it’s going to work for them this time.
what does Obama have? one word. one effing word that’s appealing to people’s emotions. change. that’s it. he has no stance on ANYTHING whatsoever… just an appeal to emotion.
racism? wow, there’s a first. they have YET to bring up anything racist.
and if you wanna talk racism, how about Obama’s “spiritual leader”, his pastor?? you wanna take about racism.. there it is.
sad but true. thats why theres the attacks and the appeals to emotion. both sides do it. people dont listen to the issues.
obama does have stances on issues. as does mccain. but that is not what neither is running their campaign on. its “change vs the maverick”. Thats it. Thats the campaign. Done.
Theyre both intelligent men with stances, thats not what campaigns are about though
palin and mccain do not want any association with the bush administration. thats political suicide. their issue stances are very similar, thats why its funny to see republicans running from bush like he has smallpox or something
since the onset of public opinion polling, congress always has numbers less than 50%, usually in 20-30 range. you’ll get the rally-around-the-flag-effect and their approval goes up, but thats rare.
Congress is hated by people. Wonder when theyre actually going to do something about that. You know be more responsive to their constituents, the people that elect them/.
It's just politics howiestheman, that's how it works in Washington.
It is the voice of partisanism, two parties with very different views always jockeying for power. You were like what eleven or twelve when George Bush came into office in 2000? Then you have known mostly a Republican controlled congress with a Republican president in the White House. Their hold on power has enabled them to keep the Democratic party and their voice largely silent during their tenure.You’re just hearing the first marching footsteps of the Democratic party coming back to power.
but i’m not stupid. i understand politics very well, actually.
personally, i’m sick of it – i’m sick of the elite controlling everything, and i’m sick of partisanship. but mostly, i’m suck of everyone pointing fingers at everyone else instead of manning up, taking responsibility and getting things done.
take a look at the Barney Frank interview on The O’Reilly Factor (i know, that’s blasphemy to you). it’s exactly what i’m talking about. this idiot tried to deny something he just said! he is GREATLY responsible for a bunch of stuff that happened with this, and he’s trying to blame the GOP for it.
God help us if when the Dems come back to power… you think things are bad now? wait 2 years. we’ll see where we are then.
but its not the elite that you think it is. anyone with a b.a. or b.s. or any grad/post-grad work could call tell themselves part of the elite/informed.
thats who will be in power because most other people simply dont care, or are one-issue centric, or only care around election time every 4 years. thats just the facts.
i would actually like this elite in power rather than the opposite.
The guys that wrote it were mostly the elite (wealthy landowners) and didn’t want to lose their social status.
They just wanted to remove the class the was more elite than they (the nobility) from their political structure.
The US Senate wasn’t even elected totally by popular vote until less than a century ago. It was intended also as a check on the democratically elected House of Representatives.
Members of the Electoral College aren’t bound to vote for the candidate they were elected to vote for & the whole system is a republican method, not democratic.
The elite are in power because they usually have the wealth it takes to run a political campaign.
typical spin dr. Palin looks real. Man you guys who think he is wining are so blind, no wonder they call our state Commiefornia , socialism must make you dem’s go deaf bumb and blind.
went to shitty schools and lifted himself up to go to princeton
i worked my ass off
my parents worked full time jobs all my life and neither have finished high school
we are the hard working americans who get screwed over by people like mccain who claim that helping the rich will help the poor
The American Dream also doesn’t include blaming others for your problems.
I’m not surprised that you find my viewpoint hateful. It’s all peace, love, and bong hits when you’re still in university surrounded by the kids who make up the student body and faculty.
Sorry to harsh your mellow, bro. I guess I didn’t realize a stern reality check aimed AT SOMEONE ELSE would cause YOU so much distress.
and ive had many stern reality checks while ive been in college.
i just saw no reason for you to go out and insult a guy for really no reason. but hey lets just hate on random people we dont know for simply trying too hard…yeah thats a good attitude.
enjoy your cynics of the month meeting or your aa one, they’re both the same anyways.
it’s sad, but it’s true.
that’s what happens when you can’t parent kids anymore… “they’re always right.. don’t hurt their feelings.. it’s not your fault!”
what a load of crap.
and we wonder why this country is in the toilet. it’s time to man-up. that’s the difference between the 40’s, let’s say, and now. people back then took responsibility and pulled themselves up. people nowadays just sit back and cry and wait for someone else to fix it.
The first half of the 40's was World War II, and the nation was in crisis.
The government largely controlled what people could and could not do during that time. Post War, brought the GI bill (a huge government program) that allowed soldiers coming home from the war to secure government backed loans at low interest rates to buy their first homes. This lead to the growth of cities and suburbs that fed consumerism and a progressive economy during the next two decades. The GI bill also gave every veteran the right to attend college that also benefited the economy. Strong unions trained people to work in trades that supported manufacturing and protected them with 40 hour work weeks, fair pay for work, healthcare, and retirement pensions. Much of this is gone now due to deregulation and union busting during the Reagan – Bush years and the Bush years again. Factories have closed and jobs shipped over seas. The GI bill is just an example, from the decade you chose, that government has played a large role though out our history when crisis and need of the people is required to keep the country strong and healthy. Barack Obama wants to return the government back to helping out the people who truly have need, as in no healthcare, job creation, and an energy policy that helps us instead of the failed conservative policies of the last seven and a half years.
i would never try to take anything away from what FDR did
easily one of the best presidents we had.
BUT created more government and more useless programs is NOT the answer. Barack Obama wants to create all kinds of new programs that will just suck up more money (as if we’re not abusing Social Security already…)
The government should help, yes, but it should not be a crutch to live on, and that’s what the real problem is.
and if you want to blame someone for where we are now, blame Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. THEY are the ones that created this mess by forcing banks to loan money to people who could not pay it back. thus, the markets fell, and now the taxpayers are screwed.
This back and forth is why I didn't want to join this political thread. This is a site for Angel Baseball!!!!
I am (I believe like most citizen’s of this great land) fiscally conservative and socially libertarian (well mostly libertarian).
Do you believe this will be covered in the debates? It’s not even a part of the national conversation. Does anyone realize how much debt we are piling on future generations? This is something I would like to see discussed. But its not even on the radar.
Good luck to you and others during the balance of your political discussions. Thus ends my final post on politics at HH.
If a male candidate was talking like Palin, he would e laughed off the stage.
She’s only getting away with her crap because she is a woman. She is doing a good job working the talking points into her answers. She is leaning heavily on her cheat sheet. Biden is’nt attacking enough, he is being too nice. It was great when Biden corrected her about the vice-president’s constitutional roll with regard to congress and how dangerous Cheney has been.
I will feel batter after watching some home teams play uninspired ball today.
don’t let me down !
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
im not sure which batter I am going to feel :)
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
I was gonna ask.
Because HK could use a boost.
ViolaHalo - October 2, 2008
Ooh.
I wish we could follow Biden / Palin on SBnation.
0157H7 - October 2, 2008
AAAnd the Rays go deeep
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Evan Longoria ... 1 pitch in the playoffs, ties Vlad for career playoff homeruns :/
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
but Vlad's was a grand slam!
eh, whatever helps me sleep at night :(
thrill000 - October 2, 2008
imagine if he didnt hit that grand slam ... i think he might hear some boos.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Pena pulled from the game
Anyone know why?
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
they just said...
reason’s unknown on the radio.
thrill000 - October 2, 2008
blurred vision
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
Dewayne Wise with a 3 run blast
Homeruns are cool
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
LONGORIA!!!!!!
AGAIN!
thrill000 - October 2, 2008
LONGORIA GOES DEEP AGAIN
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
LONGORIA
First 2 PITCHES seen in the postseason hit for HRs.
Rev Halofan - October 2, 2008
well, he did see 2 in the second at bat. what patience!@
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
:bow:
scottnak - October 2, 2008
These inexperienced Rays look scared lol
Love Madden laughing … probably can’t wait to call scioscia
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
TBS announcers are favoring the White Sox over the Rays.
I guess they just pick a side and go with it.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
I think it's actually
That they have the word “Sox” in their team name.
The announcers probably j—z just THINKING about the other team with that word.
Clutch - October 2, 2008
All they mention for the Rays, aside from a longoria homer, are the catwalks lol
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Just to keep track:
Pitches seen by Longoria – 3
Homeruns by Longoria – 2
Career playoff at basts – 2
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
I wonder what Longoria's first FA contract is going to be worth. Yankee of the future.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
he already signed a 6 year contract with the rays
he’ll be 29 by the time that happens.
b0rd3rline - October 2, 2008
This is the advantage to being really, really bad for a long, long time
First round draft picks.
Carl Johnson - October 2, 2008
Does that mean the system works?
It seem like a lot of fans on other sites ( I will not mention) root for their team to lose to get the draft picks. That seems kind of sad to me, you should root for your team to win no matter what.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
At some point in a losing season the higher draft pick
may actually be better for the team.
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
Hang another curve Javier
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Just a rbi single? uninspiring!
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Biden @ Palin - 6 p. m.
Since this match is listed in the heading with the other matches, does it mean we are allowed to freely comment about it while it is going on, or will our moose get dressed?
44FAN - October 2, 2008
No mas politics aqui, por favor. (Sorry if the spelling/grammar isn't correct).
It really takes away the enjoyment of of this site. This is a baseball sanctuary!! (IMHO)
sothball - October 2, 2008
the Rev listed it in the Thread
it’s going to get talked about.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
you're such a cry baby sometimes.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
No I'm not. You are.
You’re just trying to make me feel bad about myself. I have high self-esteem…it’s not going to work. So THERE. Ha!
(Kleenex please)
sothball - October 2, 2008
I listed it
go for it. Anything to take my mind off of the game last night …
Rev Halofan - October 2, 2008
Pandora's box is officially open for business...
sothball - October 2, 2008
Slice 'n dice.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
should I pull a Palin and look increasingly adorable?
ping ping strike a pose LOL
ladybug - October 2, 2008
Longoria only hit a single last AB
He sucks
Higz - October 2, 2008
isn't tonight a home game for Biden?
i mean, given the moderator, i think he has home-field advantage. :P
man… those Rays look like they belong. they’re relaxed and playing their game – something we know nothing about in October.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Palin is home team....Missouri is a red state
ladybug - October 2, 2008
i'll give you that
but again, the mod is writing a book about Obama. there has to be some sort of advantage there…
maybe it’s like us in the ‘04 playoffs… it’s technically Palin’s home-field, but most of the people there are going for the visitor.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
I don't know how she made it through either
supposedly Team McCain didn’t know about her book. I really find that hard to believe.
I hope she comes through as fair for both sides
ladybug - October 2, 2008
as do i
but you know every little thing about this debate is under the microscope
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
If it makes you feel any better...
I believe David McCullough voted for Thomas Jefferson :)
Higz - October 2, 2008
lol
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
did his chad hang too?
ladybug - October 2, 2008
I used to hang out with a kid named Chad
Higz - October 2, 2008
Mayhem's chad hangs pretty low, from what i hear.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
"ohhh say can you see? By the dawn's early light......"
ladybug - October 2, 2008
I can send pics to end speculation...naw, I'll keep the mystery going.
Mayheminthehood - October 2, 2008
lol
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
The McCain campaign agreed on Gwen Ifill being the moderator long after she announced her book. Nice try.
The Rays confidence in their game has been pretty remarkable all year. I think that has really carried them through to this point.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
apparently NOBODY knew about the book
so nice try back at ya. :)
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Ifill did an interview in the Washington Post about the book on September 9th.
It kind of indicates to me maybe the McCain campaign fails to do their homework properly. I think Ifill will probably be fair, if not she will catch hell for it, and Palin will come out smelling like a rose with the golden excuse that the moderator was’nt being fair. The bar has been set so low now, Palin just needs to just appear at the debate to have done well.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
and a few soundbites for the next SNL skit
ladybug - October 2, 2008
I find Palin's real interviews way funnier!
44FAN - October 2, 2008
I don't find much difference in Fey's version of them!
ladybug - October 2, 2008
It's was katie Couric's and Charles Gibson's reactions to Palin's answers that were so funny to me.
I think the SNL skit’s just turned Tina Fey in to a superstar, along with her 30 Rock emmys.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
Dude
Nobody watches SNL anymore
Higz - October 2, 2008
Dude
What do they watch?
44FAN - October 2, 2008
not snl
if you want topical, funny, political news/not news you watch the daily show and colbert report not snl.
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
I watch SNL mostly because that's all that is on then.
Daily Show and Colbert are just not that interesting to me. Not really my thing, those shows seem to appeal to younger audiences more.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
A hundred+ cable channels and there is nothing better on?
Admit it, you love SNL. You think it’s currently relevant enough that it turned Tina Fey into a “superstar.” I bet most people in this country don’t know who the hell Tina Fey is nor do they care. SNL is so full of itself it now seems to think it can get by on its own reputation from the days when it was actually (mildly) funny.
Personally, I would rather watch the Magic Bullet infomercial than watch SNL.
Higz - October 2, 2008
Those Palin skits are being shown everywhere on every news channel all day long everyday.
That has a lot to do with it. I agree SNL is not near as funny as it used to be.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
"everywhere on every news channel all day long everyday."
You think you might be overstating this just a smidge? Hmm?
Higz - October 2, 2008
all the cable news anyway.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
SNL hasn't been funny since the Clinton administration
ladybug - October 2, 2008
I watch what I want....I gave up on peer pressure telling me what to watch about 25 years ago.
ladybug - October 2, 2008
I quit a long time ago....nbc.com!! watch what you want and hit stop when it gets boring
ladybug - October 2, 2008
God bless the internetz
but not Al Gore… cuz that’s a lie.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
That's how I watch TV shows more and more. Especially shows that are on the same time Angels games are on during the season.
I just watch them later on line or the next day and fewer commercials too.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
that's the best way to go when you don't have TiVO or DVR
methinks.
i do that with college football games a lot of the time, too
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Are we going to take a drink every time Sarah Palin says she is "blessed" tonight during the debate?
44FAN - October 2, 2008
How about...
take a drink whenever Biden asks somebody in a wheelchair to stand up?
Higz - October 2, 2008
Yeah, every time Biden makes a gaffe would be good.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
incumbent party = home team
Rev Halofan - October 2, 2008
and the Rays won it
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
TB fans can kiss my ass.
Their attendance was pathetic this year
hauldog - October 2, 2008
clown of the game = orlando cabrera
kicking chalk/dirt at Balfour (sp) with the bases loaded 2 outs after the first pitch, and then striking out to end the inning.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
I saw that, and then Balfour pointing to the White Sox dugout for O-Cab to go sit down. Hilarious.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
reminded me of Rocker ... when he had just finished off Piazza in NY, then was yelling and laughing at the fans taunting him.
Eff you rocker … u suck … blaaaaah
“I JUST STRUCK OUT YOUR BEST HITTER!” LOL
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Over/ Under, 2 benches clearing brawls before their series is over?
44FAN - October 2, 2008
i could see it getting ugly in a blowout, especially if the wsox are getting blown out
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Yea, I couldn't figure what that was about
I never saw Cabrera show any tendencies to get upset at outside pitches when he was in Anaheim.
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
Phillies are putting up a fight.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
OHHHHH CC
why you doing “the speier” ?
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Phillies not intimidated by the presence of the mighty CC.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
crowd is off the hook right now
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
home run cheer ... off foul balls
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
GREAT AT BAT BY BRETT MYERS
you see that chone?!?!?!!?!?
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
do the speier
doot da doot doot da dooot doooot doooot doooo, dooot da doot doooot da doooo
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
grand slam shane victorino
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
SaBADthia
Not going to look good on his resume for next year.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
There's a lot of mileage on that arm.
Kind of like a rental that’s been run into the ground. Buyer beware.
snowhor - October 2, 2008
4 games in a row on 3 days rest will do that to you
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
Manny is going to destroy Palin tonight
that sounds really dirty…
VladdyG - October 2, 2008
Mmmmmmm
Clutch - October 2, 2008
ManRam and SarPal?
ladybug - October 2, 2008
in bed
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
Cameron botches another one in center, lol. Maybe we can pay him 10 million a year too ?
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Drill Baby Drill
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
Biden sounds like a jerk
i’ll be honest.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
and palin wont answer a question
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
neither will Biden
they’re both dancing around questions.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
they need to talk about pregnancy, or im turning it off
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
he just anwered one and palin walked around
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
he also sounds like he knows what he's doing.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
meh.
he’s been in there for 30 years. i should HOPE be knows what he’s doing.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
dont bring up his kids!!!!
it’s on now. “yo baby is a whooooooooooooooooooooooore”
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
damn this is heated!!!
zzz zzz
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
lol
they both brought up the serving kids. nothing wrong there.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
pregnancy or nothing!
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
once again
lol
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
problem is, i dont know who is lying. it's all he said he said.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
go to factcheck.org tomorrow
then you’ll know who is lying or “embellishing”
ladybug - October 2, 2008
INVADE AFGHANISTAN!
OH WAIT
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
She looks nervous. Like Figgins against Papelbon
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
but she's speaking clearly and to the point
nervousness aside, she’s holding her own.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Yeah, it's early though. Much more pressure on her tonight I think ... but I'm flipping back and forth between the game.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
ima hit the game later
whats going on there?
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
runner on 2nd ... cubbies rbi guys failing
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
inning over .. 0-0 after 1. soriano stranded at 2nd
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
thank you sir
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
score?
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
all she had to do was look down at her cheat sheet and recite the answer in to the camera. How hard could that be?
44FAN - October 2, 2008
puh-lease
they both looked down, they both had notes.
gimme a break.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
OOOO she did NOT just go there!
oh no she di’ent!
(snap snap snap)
XD
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Palin laying out palns ... Biden biding his time before he talks pregnancy
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
lol
palns are great, too
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
broken record
“george bushizzzzzz”
that was cool
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
lol
i see he was doing what he’s been coached to… it’s a load of crap, really.
but yes, “bushizzzzz” was fun. :P
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
struggling to say nuclear.
nucear
nucular
aaaand, back to the game
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
keep those updates ah-comin'
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
leadoff single for ethier. loney batting
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
hit and run, ball in play off the hand of the ss
1st and 3rd no outs
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
so clearly
Joe Torre is a lot better than we all thought he was.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
fun story
i met Ethier’s mom… she was a flight attendant on my flight to Texas last December.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
How'd THAT conversation come about?
Clutch - October 2, 2008
i dont really remember
i think we were talking about baseball, and the fact that my dad works with Dan Haren’s mom, so she chimed in with hers.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Biden:
“let me repeat every other sentence, and say the same crap every time!”
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Palin
let me look cute and distract u from the real issue
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
she hottttt! :P
i’ll readily admit that they’re both dancing around questions, but Palin seems to be answering things a lot better.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
shes not really answering the question
biden actually is answering the question
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
i respectfully disagree.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
i give no credit or respect
you lie!
sincerely,
E. Santana
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
i see the Q is rubbing off on you
you goofy, goofy man.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
never underestimate the bench players
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
bidens bald spot distracts me
Palin looks real, biden looks like a stuffy politician
SFV88 - October 2, 2008
and she hott, too
eye appealing… can’t argue with that.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Yeah
I’ll bet Putin’s going to negotiate just ‘cause she’s hott.
Cuteness. Adorable qualities. What great qualifications for the presidency!!!!
Abraham Lincoln and Reagan are BOTH rolling in their graves.
Clutch - October 2, 2008
Not to mention
Rutherford B Hayes
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
VICE presidency
let’s not do what the media is doing, and cast her as a presidential candidate.
and i was kidding.. my goodness.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
With McCain's age & Medical History
It’s only fair to evaluate her presidential qualities.
Biden as well, every man, woman, & child is mortal.
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
thank you for pointing that out
that is one of the WEAKEST arguments i’ve ever heard..
“oh, McCain is old, so Palin is probably going to be President”.
that’s flat-out stupid.
like you said, every person is mortal. how many people have we seen on the news turn up dead, even though they were in good health? what makes you so sure that Obama won’t be assassinated or die from some freak accident?
it’s weak.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
im fairly sure he said it for both
as in evaluate presidential qualities for both.
and it is a fact that mccain is the oldest person to run for a first term in office, and, like it or not, his age and health are a factor in this. i dont think anyone is saying mccain is going to drop dead in a few months, but people are mortal and the vp is next in line. thats essentially their job, cast never-needed tie breaking votes in the senate and wait for the president to keel over. so as a “president-in-waiting” we have to look at them as a possible prez. no one is sure and thats the point. so no need to get offended with the mccain age comment.
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
sorry if that was taken the wrong way
i wasn’t offended, just explaining my view on it.
darn you internetz… you show no emotionz!
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
haha, i too was just clarifying...and it wasnt even my point to begin with
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
Or dies of lung cancer since he smokes!
mamaz boys - October 3, 2008
kemp k's looking
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
tailor made dp ball bobbled by de rosa
everybody safe!
1-0 dodgers
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
oh derosa...
he’s been really good for them this year, though.
surprisingly good, really.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
1-0
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
another dp ball hit 1st
ERROR
BASES LOADED
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
hit to derek lee
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
The Goat Lives
Funke5ive - October 2, 2008
time for Sweet Lou to kill someone.
throw a base, Lou!
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
pitcher up
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
k, furcal up
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
who's pitching tonight?
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
zambrano v. billingsley
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
billingsley and big z
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
BUNT SINGLE!
2-0
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
sneaky sneaky bastid lol
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
3-1 count to martin, bases loaded. manny on deck
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
ripped to left 5-0
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
wow those bastards in LA
they are doin it
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
dog gone it
i hate this woman
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
you hate her because she said "doggon it"?
wow.. that’s ridiculous
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
no shes done it allll day
im tired of her cute little accent and ahhhh
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
ad hominem much?
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
lame sauce
you just stereotyped mainstream America… “they look funny, they sound funny.. that’s dumb.”
look at the issues.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Which she's apparently not addressing?
Clutch - October 2, 2008
what does mainstream america even mean?
popular? topical? where the most people are?
alaska really fits none of these
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
what does alaska have to do with this?
mainstream america.. what you hear about. what the media tells you the most about.
LIBERAL.
that a good enough definition?
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
oh the liberal media
if thats not a dead horse i dont know what is.
i was asking a question. what is mainstream america? i mean they were being “offended” so i wanted to know actually.
if mainstream america is the accent you were referring to, thats also not true. most of america lives on the coasts and does not share said accent. there are different accents yes, but i wouldnt call hers (palin’s) mainstream.
the media is a big beast that cant be defined with a liberal or conservative label. i could go on and on about this. but the media doesnt really lend itself to nice little categorical definitions. you have things like fox news and talk radio, where do they fit in the liberal media definition?
and the most watched form of this media beast we’re discussing is local news. and thats generally intended to scare people. Fear-mongering….fear outsiders, consumer products, etc etc. Thats just plain fear, no lean
the liberal media label is done with zero analysis, and is tiresome. theres a much bigger picture to look at. theres no such thing as unbiased news, but its not a one-sided bias. not even close.
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
How many times did she mention George Bush or his awesome administration?
Just that she wanted to continue Bush’s never ending Iraq war policies in Afghanistan with a brand new surge. Where ya gettin’ da troops for that Sarah – you betcha?
44FAN - October 2, 2008
blah blah blah
same crap we hear from the media.
actually she RARELY brought up the current administration – that was Biden’s doing. and she criticized Biden for doing it.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
She never brought up the Bush administration. The GOP has disassociated itself from Bush.
They have no plan and nothing at all to run on. All they have left is try to attack Obama with lies, fabrications, and racism to try to sway votes. I don’t think it’s going to work for them this time.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
yeah sure, when you don't listen to what they say
they have nothing to run on.
what does Obama have? one word. one effing word that’s appealing to people’s emotions. change. that’s it. he has no stance on ANYTHING whatsoever… just an appeal to emotion.
racism? wow, there’s a first. they have YET to bring up anything racist.
and if you wanna talk racism, how about Obama’s “spiritual leader”, his pastor?? you wanna take about racism.. there it is.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
people dont vote on issues
sad but true. thats why theres the attacks and the appeals to emotion. both sides do it. people dont listen to the issues.
obama does have stances on issues. as does mccain. but that is not what neither is running their campaign on. its “change vs the maverick”. Thats it. Thats the campaign. Done.
Theyre both intelligent men with stances, thats not what campaigns are about though
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
record low approval numbers will do that
palin and mccain do not want any association with the bush administration. thats political suicide. their issue stances are very similar, thats why its funny to see republicans running from bush like he has smallpox or something
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
THE ONLY THING WITH A LOWER APPROVAL THAN BUSH IS...
…CONGRESS.
yep. Where Obama and McCain reside.
Rev Halofan - October 3, 2008
people always hate congress
since the onset of public opinion polling, congress always has numbers less than 50%, usually in 20-30 range. you’ll get the rally-around-the-flag-effect and their approval goes up, but thats rare.
Congress is hated by people. Wonder when theyre actually going to do something about that. You know be more responsive to their constituents, the people that elect them/.
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
People usually like their congressal reps
just not the other 532
TheTypingFiend - October 3, 2008
and yet, Congress attacks Bush like they're universally loved
it’s hilarious, IMO
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
That's what congress is supposed to do, oversight, checks and balances.
No matter who the president is in the White House.
44FAN - October 3, 2008
oversight and straight attacking are two VERY different things
the Democratic Congress is content on sitting on their and screaming and Bush for letting the world implode. that’s flat-out stupid.
i hate Nancy Pelosi.
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
It's just politics howiestheman, that's how it works in Washington.
It is the voice of partisanism, two parties with very different views always jockeying for power. You were like what eleven or twelve when George Bush came into office in 2000? Then you have known mostly a Republican controlled congress with a Republican president in the White House. Their hold on power has enabled them to keep the Democratic party and their voice largely silent during their tenure.You’re just hearing the first marching footsteps of the Democratic party coming back to power.
44FAN - October 3, 2008
i realize i'm young
but i’m not stupid. i understand politics very well, actually.
personally, i’m sick of it – i’m sick of the elite controlling everything, and i’m sick of partisanship. but mostly, i’m suck of everyone pointing fingers at everyone else instead of manning up, taking responsibility and getting things done.
take a look at the Barney Frank interview on The O’Reilly Factor (i know, that’s blasphemy to you). it’s exactly what i’m talking about. this idiot tried to deny something he just said! he is GREATLY responsible for a bunch of stuff that happened with this, and he’s trying to blame the GOP for it.
God help us if when the Dems come back to power… you think things are bad now? wait 2 years. we’ll see where we are then.
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
the elite will always be in the power
thats what they do, they’re the elite.
but its not the elite that you think it is. anyone with a b.a. or b.s. or any grad/post-grad work could call tell themselves part of the elite/informed.
thats who will be in power because most other people simply dont care, or are one-issue centric, or only care around election time every 4 years. thats just the facts.
i would actually like this elite in power rather than the opposite.
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
excuse me
the “financially elite” are always in control, and they always know what’s best for you. don’t you know that?
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
That's how the constitution was written
The guys that wrote it were mostly the elite (wealthy landowners) and didn’t want to lose their social status.
They just wanted to remove the class the was more elite than they (the nobility) from their political structure.
The US Senate wasn’t even elected totally by popular vote until less than a century ago. It was intended also as a check on the democratically elected House of Representatives.
Members of the Electoral College aren’t bound to vote for the candidate they were elected to vote for & the whole system is a republican method, not democratic.
The elite are in power because they usually have the wealth it takes to run a political campaign.
TheTypingFiend - October 3, 2008
inning over
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
lame
i hate them both
ha
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
mccain tapped sarah palin
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
i wanna tape of that action
wait…. gross.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Drill Baby Drill
Funke5ive - October 2, 2008
lol
win.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Rofl
Clutch - October 2, 2008
That's what she said
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
Palin missed the question ... she asked what is your weakness
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
and Biden is about to do the same.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
yeah, he dodged it ... but did show he knew the question haha. these debates are funny
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
truth.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
and now Biden actually recognizes the question. good for him.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
biden the hard workin mof****
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
"i'm much better off than you
and i know what you’re going through."
wait… what?
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
lets talk about the maverick
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
maverick?
talk to me goose
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Goose
:**(
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
don't leave your wingman
ladybug - October 3, 2008
damn biden swinging
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
OR
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
YES
Clutch - October 2, 2008
now I know why they call him slow joe
typical spin dr. Palin looks real. Man you guys who think he is wining are so blind, no wonder they call our state Commiefornia , socialism must make you dem’s go deaf bumb and blind.
SFV88 - October 2, 2008
"you guys who think he is winning"?
there are 4 ppl talking about this right now in here … and i don’t even live in california or think he is “winning”
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
straight up
even though im from california (currently in New Jersey)
and that woman has no idea what a real american family
my family is an american family
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
you go to Princeton
and you’re the typical American family?
excuse my skepticism.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
I think his point is that
He’s an American family.
He didn’t claim to be typical.
Who is really?
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
okay, that's fair
but i fail to see how Palin has no idea about what an American family is.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
I'm not too sure what his point is
But I’m sure it has something to do with the Halos needing to man up and beat Matsuzaka tomorrow night!
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
you're darn right that's what he meant!
and i approve that message.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
yo im the kid who rose up from santa ana
went to shitty schools and lifted himself up to go to princeton
i worked my ass off
my parents worked full time jobs all my life and neither have finished high school
we are the hard working americans who get screwed over by people like mccain who claim that helping the rich will help the poor
OBAMA
princeton11loveshalos - October 3, 2008
Your parents didn't bother to finish high school...
yet it’s people like McCain who screwed your family over?
That’s funny.
Yeah, and your life sounds pretty shitty, what with attending Princeton and everything. I feel really sorry for you.
BOO FUCKING HOO
Higz - October 3, 2008
maybe take a chill pill
its not like he just pissed in your coffee or something.
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
what, are you guys lovers or something?
Higz - October 3, 2008
dude whats your problem?
i dont understand the hate.
people are responsible for their own actions but they’re also not responsible for the situation they are born in to.
thats the whole “american dream” cliche, rising up. thats what all parents want, for their kids to do better than they did.
i dont know what made you so cynical.
linkbruin - October 3, 2008
Thanks for the concern.
The American Dream also doesn’t include blaming others for your problems.
I’m not surprised that you find my viewpoint hateful. It’s all peace, love, and bong hits when you’re still in university surrounded by the kids who make up the student body and faculty.
Sorry to harsh your mellow, bro. I guess I didn’t realize a stern reality check aimed AT SOMEONE ELSE would cause YOU so much distress.
Higz - October 3, 2008
because people do have things in common
and ive had many stern reality checks while ive been in college.
i just saw no reason for you to go out and insult a guy for really no reason. but hey lets just hate on random people we dont know for simply trying too hard…yeah thats a good attitude.
enjoy your cynics of the month meeting or your aa one, they’re both the same anyways.
linkbruin - October 4, 2008
and for that, i have all the respect in the world for you
but blaming “people like mccain” is ridiculous.
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
It's a culture of victimization.
Nobody is responsible for his own actions. It’s always someone else’s fault.
Unless you do something good, then you can take all the credit.
Higz - October 3, 2008
amen to that, brotha
it’s sad, but it’s true.
that’s what happens when you can’t parent kids anymore… “they’re always right.. don’t hurt their feelings.. it’s not your fault!”
what a load of crap.
and we wonder why this country is in the toilet. it’s time to man-up. that’s the difference between the 40’s, let’s say, and now. people back then took responsibility and pulled themselves up. people nowadays just sit back and cry and wait for someone else to fix it.
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
The first half of the 40's was World War II, and the nation was in crisis.
The government largely controlled what people could and could not do during that time. Post War, brought the GI bill (a huge government program) that allowed soldiers coming home from the war to secure government backed loans at low interest rates to buy their first homes. This lead to the growth of cities and suburbs that fed consumerism and a progressive economy during the next two decades. The GI bill also gave every veteran the right to attend college that also benefited the economy. Strong unions trained people to work in trades that supported manufacturing and protected them with 40 hour work weeks, fair pay for work, healthcare, and retirement pensions. Much of this is gone now due to deregulation and union busting during the Reagan – Bush years and the Bush years again. Factories have closed and jobs shipped over seas. The GI bill is just an example, from the decade you chose, that government has played a large role though out our history when crisis and need of the people is required to keep the country strong and healthy. Barack Obama wants to return the government back to helping out the people who truly have need, as in no healthcare, job creation, and an energy policy that helps us instead of the failed conservative policies of the last seven and a half years.
44FAN - October 3, 2008
i would never try to take anything away from what FDR did
easily one of the best presidents we had.
BUT created more government and more useless programs is NOT the answer. Barack Obama wants to create all kinds of new programs that will just suck up more money (as if we’re not abusing Social Security already…)
The government should help, yes, but it should not be a crutch to live on, and that’s what the real problem is.
and if you want to blame someone for where we are now, blame Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. THEY are the ones that created this mess by forcing banks to loan money to people who could not pay it back. thus, the markets fell, and now the taxpayers are screwed.
howiestheman - October 3, 2008
This back and forth is why I didn't want to join this political thread. This is a site for Angel Baseball!!!!
I am (I believe like most citizen’s of this great land) fiscally conservative and socially libertarian (well mostly libertarian).
Do you believe this will be covered in the debates? It’s not even a part of the national conversation. Does anyone realize how much debt we are piling on future generations? This is something I would like to see discussed. But its not even on the radar.
Good luck to you and others during the balance of your political discussions. Thus ends my final post on politics at HH.
sothball - October 3, 2008
Yea
Thanks mom & dad
TheTypingFiend - October 3, 2008
win
i’m glad i’m not alone here…
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
I loled at the
“deaf bumb and blind.” I’m guessing Mr. Smarty Pants meant deaf dumb and blind? Or is that aprty of my pinko commie propaganda?
teopeht - October 2, 2008
aw my attempt to mock his spelling failed.
*part
teopeht - October 2, 2008
Maybe you'll think about this next time
I hope you learned a lesson.
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
what the hell are you talking about guy?
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
If a male candidate was talking like Palin, he would e laughed off the stage.
She’s only getting away with her crap because she is a woman. She is doing a good job working the talking points into her answers. She is leaning heavily on her cheat sheet. Biden is’nt attacking enough, he is being too nice. It was great when Biden corrected her about the vice-president’s constitutional roll with regard to congress and how dangerous Cheney has been.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
she said blessed!
someone take a drink!
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
she looks like she's about to cry
i hate her!
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
She is Dick Cheney in lipstick and a dress. she is probably a better shot though.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
yeah she'll kill the guy instead
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
At least she'll have finished the job.
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
he's bald
hate!
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
god bless you biden
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
God hates libs.
it’s in the Bible.
i hate her!
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
wait god hates liberals!!!!
princeton11loveshalos - October 2, 2008
I don't think many "Joe six-packs" or hockey moms were able to sit through that.
44FAN - October 2, 2008
I bet Scioscia is watching this game thinking :
Why isn’t Andrew Jones playing? He’s a gold glover with a decent bat.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
hahahaha
yeah, you’re probably right.
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
ouch
Funke5ive - October 2, 2008
MANNY IS A BEAST
good lord
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
did he just hit another one?
good heavens… i hate him, i really do.
but holy crap – that man can HIT
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
dead center ... not a cheap one.
Quinlan's Goofy Swing - October 2, 2008
Wow.
We can haz him over Matthews?
Clutch - October 2, 2008
So much for the 100 year curse, eh?
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
theres a curse on the Cubs?
where have i been?
i thought they were just not very good for the past century.
linkbruin - October 2, 2008
Apparently goats attendance are integral to winning in the game's early years.
TheTypingFiend - October 2, 2008
man, i would LOVE for our game tomorrow to look like this LA-Chi game
with us on the winning side, of course.
“the dodgers are manufacturing offense at will!” :P
howiestheman - October 2, 2008
Couger of the Game...
Palin
Red - October 2, 2008
Imagine all the interns she's gonna bring in...
Downing Rules - October 4, 2008
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